# Cannabis Culture News LIVE: Truth About 9/11 Still Clouded in Smoke

CANNABIS CULTURE – Watch Cannabis Culture News LIVE for the latest news and views on pot politics and the marijuana community. In this episode: The 10th Anniversary of 9/11 is upon us, but the truth is still clouded in smoke. We talk to Vancouver activists who plan to light up at 4:20 on September 11 as part of a global protest.

David Malmo-Levine, longtime cannabis activist and contributor to Cannabis Culture, will be the keynote speaker at this weekend’s Zeitgeist Media Festival in Vancouver. He and Randy Keats of the Vancouver Zeitgeist Movement join CCN LIVE host Jeremiah Vandermeer to discuss the growing movement of professionals and citizens who question the official story of 9/11 and believe the government and mainstream media are hiding the truth.

As part of the festival, activists plan a 4:20 protest on Sunday, September 11 at the Vancouver Art Gallery. Go to the 4:20 Smoke and 9/11 Mirrors Flashmob Facebook page for more information.

Also on the show: Georgia Straight Assistant Editor Miranda Nelson joins the show to discuss recent statistics showing that the US Government has been using anti-terror laws passed in the wake of 9/11 to target drug users instead of terrorists. Read her article in the Georgia Straight.

Jodie Emery joins the show to discuss the one year anniversary of the sentencing of her husband Marc Emery in a U.S. courtroom for selling marijuana seeds and using the money to fund activism.

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On the show:

Smoke and Mirrors in Vancouver on 10th Anniversary of 9/11
https://www.cannabisculture.com/v2/content/2011/09/08/Smoke-and-Mirrors-Vancouver-10th-Anniversary-911

Data shows Patriot Act used more often to justify drug warrants, not terrorism ones
http://www.straight.com/article-452696/vancouver/data-shows-patriot-act-used-more-often-drug-crimes-not-terrorism

House set for showdown over Harper’s vow to bring back terror laws
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/house-set-for-showdown-over-harpers-vow-to-bring-back-terror-laws/article2157366/

The Vancouver Zeitgeist Media Festival
http://www.zeitgeistvancouverfestival.com/

9/11: Explosive Evidence – Experts Speak Out

Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth
http://www.ae911truth.org/

http://911truth.org

Marc’s “Freedom Party” Back In Action for Ontario Election
https://www.cannabisculture.com/v2/node/28267

The Freedom Party of Ontario
http://www.freedomparty.on.ca/

Safe and Convenient Access: Cannabis Medicine Centres

1. Walter on

It’s a pretty simple concept that anyone who uses common sense knows; the simplest answer is usually the correct one. On Sept. 11th, 2011, al Qaeda hijacked 4 planes, 3 were crashed into their targets, one was thwarted by the heroic actions of its passengers. Injecting the idea that the US government wanted this to happen and was covertly supported by US citizens is nonsensical and wholly unbelievable (the Bush-Cheney-Rove triumvirate aren’t that smart/evil).

Aligning with the conspiracy nut cases HURTS CC’s standing and position; this will necessarily LESSEN your credibility and will taint ALL of CC’s articles and editorials. Isn’t credibility what you want? To be taken seriously?

I am a scientist by trade and have read most the report by the 9/11 commission. Have any of you? Seriously, if you are going to give the conspiracy nut jobs any credence, then you need to give at least equal time for the official report. I have read most of the links above as well. Frankly, the commission’s report is credible and well-documented.

“What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof.”
-Christopher Hitchens

Conspiracies may gain readership, but it is counter-productive for the ultimate goal of ending the drug war. If you continue this kind of “hogwash as truth”, then Cannabis Culture WAS a leader in the legalization movement. And, you would lose this reader forever.

[Born in the USA, I have been a daily toker for over 15 years, a fan of Cannabis Culture since 2000 and a subscriber from 2001 until the end. I lost friends at the WTC and almost lost my sister (she was on street level, late to work at Marsh & McLennan, when the 2nd plane struck; all of her co-workers who at work that day were killed). Never before have I had such great cause to disagree with CC; you are losing me as a reader]

I completely agree with the comments expressing opposition to this forum being used to promote the false, paranoid ideology of trutherism. Please continue to do what you do best rather than alienate loyal readers with side issues that tend to harm the cause of legalization and normalization of cannabis by associating it with cranks.

3. owen goossen on

i like pot
i like smoking pot
sucking on a joint or a pipe
even a bong occasionally

i love pot
i love smoking pot
sucking on a joint or a pipe
even a bong occasionally

i’m obsessed with pot
i’m obsessed with smoking pot
sucking on a joint or a pipe
even a bong occasionally

4. Anonymous on

Building 7 fell and it looked just like a controlled demolition without being hit by a plane. NIST has given NO explanation. There are film clips where officers are telling people “it is coming down” and you can hear the countdown.

Yet there are those who think Larry Silverstein should not even be QUESTIONED about this to find out who “made the decision to pull it?”

I mean seriously people…

5. DML on

“Yes because I’m the one who started it, it totally wasn’t started by other people “pro-USA government losers” “blind children” “STFU and get real. We don’t need government-loving spooks on this website””

People are angry that there are 4 or so oil wars resulting from this obvious false flag operation. Those who blame the Muslims for 9-11 never really bother to look closely at the evidence, thus they are complicit in war crimes. If you’re complicit in war crimes, don’t be surprised if people get pissed off.

The evidence to support blaming the attack on Muslims is as solid as blaming WW1 on the Jews. Those who supported Hitler’s claims that it was all the Jews fault without looking into it first were complicit in the Holocaust, just as those who support Bush/Obama’s view of 9/11 are complicit in the mass murder going on today.

Everyone has a duty to look at this evidence more closely:

Gage criticized NIST for not having investigated the complete sequence of the collapse of the World Trade Center towers,[40] and claims that “the official explanation of the total destruction of the World Trade Center skyscrapers has explicitly failed to address the massive evidence for explosive demolition.”[41] In particular, Gage argues that the buildings of the World Trade Center could not have collapsed at the speed that has been observed without tearing apart several columns of their structures with the help of explosives.[12] To support its position, Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth points to the “free fall” acceleration of 7 WTC during part of the collapse,[42] to “lateral ejection of steel,” and to “mid-air pulverization of concrete.”[29] Richard Gage also said that the absence of “large gradual deformations” associated with the collapse would indicate that the buildings have been destroyed by controlled demolition.[43] That the three buildings of the World Trade Center “fell through what should have been the path of greatest resistance” would, according to the organization, require “precisely timed removal of critical columns, which office fires cannot accomplish”.[42] As the mass of the top of the North Tower had been blown outward during the collapse, there was “nothing left to drive this building to the ground,” Gage says.[44]

Gage maintains that the “sudden and spontaneous” collapse of the towers would have been impossible without a controlled demolition, that pools of molten iron found in the debris of the buildings were evidence of the existence of thermite,[45] and that researchers had found unignited nano-thermite in the dust produced by the collapse of the World Trade Center.[26][42][44][46] Gage argues that this material “is not made in a cave in Afghanistan”.[47] Iron-rich micro-spheres, which, according to the organization, have been found in the dust of the World Trade Center buildings by independent laboratory analyses, would indicate temperatures during the collapses much higher than temperatures that would result from hydrocarbon fires.[42] “We have evidence of high tech explosives found in all of the dust, we have evidence of thermite found in the molten iron samples. This can’t happen in normal office fires. They don’t have half the temperature required to melt steel, so where did the molten iron come from?” Gage asks.[48] A DVD produced by the group contains eyewitness accounts of explosions and flashes seen in the buildings.[49]

In 2008, Zden?k P. Bažant, Professor of Civil Engineering and Materials Science at Northwestern University, published with three coauthors a paper to examine whether allegations of controlled demolition might be scientifically justifiable. They found that the available video records are not consistent with the free fall hypothesis, that the size of the concrete particles is consistent with comminution caused by impact, and that the high velocity of compressed air explains why material from the towers were ejected to a distance of several hundred meters from the tower. The authors conclude that the allegations of controlled demolition do not have any scientific merit.[50] A spokesman for NIST said that any sightings of molten metal, including metal seen pouring from the South tower, were likely molten aluminum from the airplane, an explanation disputed by Richard Gage who stated that the color of the molten metal rules out aluminum.[51] “Basically, gravity and the utter force of the upper floors forced the towers down,” said NIST spokesperson Michael Newman.[44]

According to Richard Gage, 7 World Trade Center (7 WTC), a 47-story high-rise building that was part of the World Trade Center complex and collapsed in the afternoon on September 11, 2001, is the “smoking gun” of September 11,[42][52] providing the most compelling evidence that something was suspect about the building’s collapse that had not been told to the public.[53][54] Gage also described 7 WTC as “the most obvious example of controlled demolition.”[55] According to Richard Gage, the only way to bring a building down with free-fall acceleration would be to remove its columns, which provide resistance to the force of gravity.[56] Scott Grainger, a fire protection engineer and member of the group, told the BBC that the fires observed in 7 WTC, which were scattered about on the floors, would have moved on as they would have found no more combustibles. He thus claims that the fires could not have developed enough heat to cause the collapse of the building.[55]

Gage dismisses the explanation of the collapse of 7 World Trade Center given by the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST), according to which uncontrolled fires and the buckling of a critical support column caused the collapse, and argues that this would not have led to the uniform way the building actually collapsed. “The rest of the columns could not have been destroyed sequentially so fast to bring this building straight down into its own footprint,” he says.[26] Richard Gage argues that skyscrapers that have suffered “hotter, longer lasting and larger fires” have not collapsed.[52] “Buildings that fall in natural processes fall to the path of least resistance,” says Gage, “they don’t go straight down through themselves.”[57] Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth also questions the computer models used by NIST, and argues that evidence pointing to the use of explosives had been omitted in its report on the collapse of 7 WTC.[10]

The community of experts in structural mechanics and structural engineering generally supports the explanation of the collapse of the World Trade Center buildings provided by the investigation conducted by NIST.[58] The appearance of a controlled demolition can be explained by an interior failure of the building, which is suggested by the sequence of the collapse of 7 WTC that shows roof elements sinking into the building while the façade remained intact.[59]
 Criticism of the official investigations

Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth expresses concerns that evidence related to the destruction of the World Trade Center could have been distorted and covered up by the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST), which conducted a building and fire safety investigation, one of the official investigations into the event. According to the group, and NIST themselves who considered it unnecessary, NIST did not look for physical evidence of explosives[26][42] and did not include the eyewitness accounts from first responders and from people who escaped the buildings in their investigation.[51] The organization also alleges that much of the physical evidence, apart from a few selected samples of the steel, would have been destroyed.[42] Gage criticizes that taped eyewitness interviews that were released to the New York Times in August 2005 had been “hidden by the city of New York”.[51]

6. Anonymous on

“The more insults & fewer facts you hurl the weaker your argument”

Yes because I’m the one who started it, it totally wasn’t started by other people “pro-USA government losers” “blind children” “STFU and get real. We don’t need government-loving spooks on this website”

Since people here seem to like copy pasting stuff all over this thread.

7. DML on

“Voicing the opinion that the government isn’t capable of pulling off something as big as 9, 11 isn’t being pro government you retard.”

Ignoring the history of False Flag operations – the fact that nearly every war over the last 100 years involved one (or a “let it happen” operation) – does involve being a cheerleader, a shill, a dupe and/or a tool of government.

Your “they used it to their advantage but didn’t cause it” theory doesn’t explain how three steel skyscrapers had collapse from fire on that day and no other, and that the collapse was symmetrical each time. For the collapse to be symmetrical the fire would have had to weaken the steel at the same rate for each column … and for the column to provide zero resistance – to allow for near free-fall speed of collapse – the fire would have had to be on each floor. It wasn’t.

8. Anonymous on

Voicing the opinion that the government isn’t capable of pulling off something as big as 9, 11 isn’t being pro government you retard. Saying something like “the government is always right and protects us” is, there a difference between that and saying it’s too incompetent to do it.

I think your problem is your getting to hung up on the government is evil thing, so there for it must always be the source of a problem or hiding it.
what was that? a bunch of pissed off muslims flew planes into a building? Well that evil goberment must be involved….why?…because it’s evil so it has to be in some way, THEY DON’T LIKE POT!!! Since they lie about that they MUST be lying about this too!!!.

I’m not saying the government (or at least the people in it at the time) didn’t profit from the event, the government didn’t cause 9, 11 but they defiantly took advantage of it. the bush administration jumped on the chance to use it as an excuse to invade the middle east, then there’s who whole thing with the defense contractors and the senators that own stock in said businesses (I believe channy owns a large chunk of that), so again the government jumped on the chance to use 9, 11 to their advantage but that doesn’t mean they caused it.

9. David on

Thanks for standing up the pro-USA government losers, DML.

Now all you blind children who think the US government and the mainstream media are truthful, and have criticized Cannabis Culture and High Times for questioning the official cover story for 9-11. Here’s a clip of one of the few real courageous journalists in the world:
http://www.democracynow.org/2011/9/15/former_senator_bob_graham_urges_obama

Now STFU and get real. We don’t need government-loving spooks on this website!!!

10. David on

Ok all you blind children who think the US government and the mainstream media are truthful, and have criticized Cannabis Culture and High Times for questioning the official cover story for 9-11. Here’s a clip of one of the few journalists in the world:
http://www.democracynow.org/2011/9/15/former_senator_bob_graham_urges_obama

Now STFU and get real. We don’t need government-loving spooks on this website!!!

11. DML on

“It was the jet fuel, and it does not burn like gasoline retard.”

Where did I say gasoline? I said Kerosene.

“Kerosene is widely used to power jet-engined aircraft (jet fuel) and some rockets, …”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerosene

Besides, kerosene and gasoline sometimes run in the same engine:

In the mid-20th century, kerosene or tractor vaporising oil (TVO) was used as a cheap fuel for tractors. The engine would start on gasoline, then switch over to kerosene once the engine warmed up. A heat valve on the manifold would route the exhaust gases around the intake pipe, heating the kerosene to the point where it was vaporized and could be ignited by an electric spark.

In Europe following the Second World War, automobiles were modified similarly to turn to run on kerosene from the gasoline which would have to be imported and was heavily taxed. Besides additional piping and the switch between fuels, the head gasket was replaced by a much thicker one to diminish the compression ratio (making the engine less powerful and less efficient, but able to run on kerosene). The necessary equipment was sold under the trademark “Econom”.[17]

During the fuel crisis of the 1970s, Saab-Valmet developed and series-produced the Saab 99 Petro that ran on kerosene, turpentine or gasoline.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerosene#Transportation

Every time one of you “heavy on the insults light on the facts” people post your comments, you reaffirm my belief that the “official story” has no basis in reality. You types deserve the fucked up fascistic government you’re faced with. You’ll believe in them right up until the last second … until the next false flag operation takes away your remaining rights.

12. Anonymous on

And the wacko’s come out of the wood works. It was the jet fuel, and it does not burn like gasoline retard. I guess you skipped science class eh’ moron! Also retard… if you look at the footage… nothing blew out to make a hole like that. Everyone break out the tin foil… I may just have to invest in foil with all the wacko’s on this site alone.

13. DML on

“Fear of getting caught or that chance leak (as seen on TV) is too great for a handful to pull off.”

There were plenty of “leaks” … just nobody in the major media with the balls to report on them:

A Guide to the 9/11 Whistleblowers
Courageous insiders, gagged, hounded and ignored

by James Corbett

Global Research, March 5, 2010
The Corbett Report

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When losing a discussion on the facts of 9/11, a so-called 9/11 “debunker” will often rely on an old canard to “prove” that 9/11 could not have been an inside job: “So many people want their quarter hour of fame that even the Men in Black couldn’t squelch the squealers from spilling the beans,” write self-satisfied defenders of the government story. According to the logic of this argument, if there are no 9/11 whistleblowers then 9/11 was not an inside job.

So what if there are 9/11 whistleblowers? What if these whistleblowers come from every level of government and private industry, individuals who have even had their cases vindicated by internal government reports? As you are about to see, there are numerous such whistleblowers and each one is a thorn in the side of those who want to pretend that the 9/11 Commission represents the sum total of knowledge on the 9/11 attacks.

That is precisely why these whistleblowers are not lauded by legislators or trumpeted by the media, but actively suppressed by government officials and the corporate media alike. These courageous insiders have been sidelined, gagged, hounded from their positions and ignored to the point where their stories are virtually unknown among the general public. And that is exactly why it is vital for the alternative media to make these stories known by bypassing the filters and control of the establishment media.

In an effort to draw more attention to the critical issues and troubling questions raised by the testimony of these insiders, The Corbett Report has just released a documentary exploration of key government and corporate whistleblowers, including a discussion of whistleblower protection and what the public can do to facilitate a wider distribution and awareness of this information. Download an mp3 audio file of the documentary or listen to it in the player below:

The 9/11 Whistleblowers

The 9/11 Commission – The myth that the 9/11 commission report represents an adequate investigation into the events of 9/11 is perhaps best exposed by the commissioners themselves, 6 out of 10 of whom have questioned the commission and its conclusions personally (namely Kean and Hamilton, Kerrey, Roemer,Lehman and Cleland). Commission co-chairman Thomas Kean once famously remarked that the Commission was “set up to fail.” Commission members considered bringing criminal charges against Pentagon officials who had deliberately lied to them about the military’s complete lack of response on that day. One of the commissioners, Max Cleland, even resigned because the commission had been “deliberately compromised by the president of the United States.”

911 Commissioner Bob Kerrey claims 911 was a 30 year conspiracy:

Richard Andrew Grove – In 2000, Richard Andrew Grove was working for Silverstream Software, a software development company specializing in enterprise architecture software. By October of that year he had landed the firm their largest client in the company’s history: Marsh & McLennan. He was invited to a staff meeting in Marsh’s offices on the 98th floor of the World Trade Center. It was the 11th of September, 2001. And everyone who was in attendance at the meeting died there that day. Grove, who had been late for the meeting, survived. His remarkable story, as well assubsequent events, led him to start piecing together how 9/11 helped financial institutions and insurance companies cover up billions of dollars in fraud by eliminating those who were asking questions about it.

Richard Grove, Wall Street Whistleblower

Sibel Edmonds – In the wake of 9/11, Sibel Edmonds heeded the FBI’s call for Middle Eastern language experts to support their counterterrorism unit. Fluent in Turkish and Azerbaijani and conversational in Farsi, she joined the FBI as a translator on September 15, 2001. She soon discovered gross negligence and criminal conspiracy in the FBI and State Department, including deliberately mistranslated documents in the Bureau’s possession before 9/11 that contained information about the attacks, nuclear spies being facilitated by top government officials and foreign operatives who were taken in for questioning after 9/11 being released because they were connected to those spy rings. A 2005 report from the Office of the Inspector General determined that none of Edmonds’ allegations can be refuted. In 2009, Edmonds revealed that Osama Bin Laden had been working for U.S. intelligence right up to the day of 9/11.

Sibel Edmonds: Bin Laden Worked for U.S. Right Up Until 9/11 PT1

William Bergman – In August 2001 the Federal Reserve Board of Governors issued a non-routine supervisory letter warning Fed banks to be vigilant in monitoring suspicious activity reports. At the same time, the United States’ economy was experiencing its largest June-August spike in M1 money supply since 1947, with more than $5 billion being added to the currency in circulation over that period. Piecing this information together at the Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago two years later, economist Bill Bergman wondered if the sudden infusion of currency might have been an indicator of foreknowledge of the 9/11 attacks, as those with assets in danger of being frozen in the wake of such an attack would naturally want to liquidate their holdings before an investigation could occur. When Bergman wrote to the Board of Governors to ask for clarification as to why they had issued their supervisory letter, he was told that he had committed “an egregious breach of protocol in calling the Board staff and asking the question.” Coleen Rowley – When the so-called “20th hijacker” Zaccharias Moussaoui was detained on August 15th, 2001, agents in the Minneapolis FBI field office immediately sought a criminal warrant to search his belongings. Management at the FBI dealing with the request threw up numerous obstacles to the agents, and even withheld information from them, including the now-infamous Phoenix Memowritten by an agent in Arizona warning of terrorists training in flight schools for a possible upcoming attack. The request was denied and agents were prevented from searching Moussaoui’s laptop, which contained information that would have tipped the FBI off to the 9/11 plot. The Minneapolis field office Chief Counsel,Coleen Rowley, has been very public with her disgust at the conduct of FBI management during the case and its subsequent review, and she has supported causes like NYC CAN which seek to re-open the 9/11 investigation. 9/11 Redux: Coleen Rowley J. Michael Springmann – A 20-year veteran of the State Department’s Foreign service, J. Michael Springmann served 18 months as the head of the visa section at the U.S. consulate in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia in 1988-89. During that time he repeatedly rejected visa applications from unqualified individuals only to have his decisions overturned by the head of the consulate. When he returned to Washington, he discovered that the Jeddah consulate was being used as a place for funnelling Afghan mujahedeen into the U.S. for training, facilitated by the CIA on behalf of their asset, Osama bin Laden. The Jeddah consulate would be the very office that issued 15 of the alleged 9/11 hijackers’ visas to enter the United States. After numerous complaints up the chain of command, Springmann’s contract with the State Department was not renewed. Jeddah, Visa Express & J. Michael Springmann Robert Wright – In the 1990s, Special Agent Robert Wright of the FBI’s Chicago field office spearheaded an investigation into terrorist financing codenamed Vulgar Betrayal. The investigation uncovered information about Yassin Al-Qadi, a terrorist financier who would go on to be designated a global terrorist financier by the U.S. treasury in the wake of 9/11. Vulgar Betrayal led to information about the African embassy bombings in 1998 and resulted in the seizure of$1.4 million of terrorist financing. Despite the investigation’s remarkable success, however, Wright was taken off of Vulgar Betrayal in 1999 and reduced to a paper pusher. In 2002, Wright went public with information about how his investigations had been systematically starved for funds, hindered and obstructed by FBI management and revealed that he believes 9/11 could have been prevented if he had been allowed to continue his investigation. The Bureau prevented him from releasing a book about his experience. He was threatened with legal action if he revealed any details about what he had been investigating.

VIDEO: Robert Wright Judicial Watch briefing

Indira Singh – As a risk management consultant for J.P. Morgan in 2001, Indira Singh was tasked with implementing the next generation of risk management software for the firm. Working for one of the largest financial institutions in the world, Singh wanted to choose a reputable software vendor for the task, one with a proven track record of working with the sensitive information of important clients. She solicited a presentation from Ptech, an enterprise architecture software firm whose clients included some of the most sensitive departments in the U.S. government, including the FBI, the Department of Defense, the Treasury, the IRS, the US Navy and the White House. After performing due diligence on the company, Singh discovered that it had been started in part by funds from Yassin Al-Qadi (the same Specially Designated Global Terrorist that Robert Wright’s investigation had been focused on). She discovered many other disturbing links between Ptech officers and suspected terrorist organizations. Ptech had been conducting tests on the interoperability of FAA and NORAD computer systems in the event of an emergency on the morning of 9/11. When she tried to bring this information to the FBI in Boston she was told by one agent that she was in a better position to investigate the case than the Bureau was.

Indira Singh Testimony

Indira Singh Testimony (1/2)

James Corbett is a frequent contributor to Global Research. Global Research Articles by James Corbett

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=17961

14. DML on

“….when that plane crashed full of 02 and fuel, it caused a long arc efect on all the metal, causing the metal to be weeker. With in a second, most of the metal was toast, which caused the concrete to crack.”

WTC 7 wasn’t hit by a plane and it collapsed into its own footprint. Why didn’t it fall over to one side – the side that sustained the damage?

Look at these pics of towering infernos – why didn’t they collapse?

Other Skyscraper Fires
Fires Have Never Caused Skyscrapers to Collapse
One Meridian Plaza fire
The One Meridian Plaza fire

Excepting the three 9-11 collapses, no fire, however severe, has ever caused a steel-framed high-rise building to collapse. Following are examples of high-rise fires that were far more severe than those in WTC 1 and 2, and Building 7. In these precedents, the fires consumed multiple floors, produced extensive window breakage, exhibited large areas of emergent flames, and went on for several hours. The fires in the WTC towers did none of these things.
The One Meridian Plaza Fire

One Meridian Plaza is a 38-floor skyscraper in Philadelphia that suffered a severe fire on February 23, 1991. The fire started on the 22nd floor and raged for 18 hours, gutting eight floors and causing an estimated $100 million in direct property loss. 1 2 3 It was later described by Philadelphia officials as “the most significant fire in this century”. The fire caused window breakage, cracking of granite, and failures of spandrel panel connections. 4 Despite the severity and duration of the fire, as evidenced by the damage the building sustained, no part of the building collapsed. First Interstate Bank fire The First Interstate Bank fire The First Interstate Bank Fire The First Interstate Bank Building is a 62-story skyscraper in Los Angeles that suffered the worst high-rise fire in the city’s history. From the late evening of May 4, 1988 through the early morning of the next day, 64 fire companies battled the blaze, which lasted for 3 1/2 hours. The fire caused extensive window breakage, which complicated firefighting efforts. Large flames jutted out of the building during the blaze. Firefighting efforts resulted in massive water damage to floors below the fire, and the fire gutted offices from the 12th to the 16th floor, and caused extensive smoke damage to floors above. The fire caused an estimated$200 million in direct property loss. 5

A report by Iklim Ltd. describes the structural damage from the fire:
In spite of the total burnout of four and a half floors, there was no damage to the main structural members and only minor damage to one secondary beam and a small number of floor pans. 6
The 1 New York Plaza Fire
close-up of First Interstate fire
Close-up of the First Interstate Bank fire
Photo: New York Board of Underwriters

1 New York Plaza is a 50-story office tower less than a mile from the World Trade Center site. It suffered a severe fire and explosion on August 5, 1970. The fire started around 6 PM, and burned for more than 6 hours. 7
Caracas Tower Fire

The tallest skyscraper in Caracas, Venezuela experienced a severe fire on October 17, 2004. The blaze began before midnight on the 34th floor, spread to more than 26 floors, and burned for more than 17 hours. Heat from the fires prevented firefighters from reaching the upper floors, and smoke injured 40 firefighters.

Lax enforcement of fire codes in Venezuela was blamed for the malfunctioning of water pumps and a lack of fire extinguishers inside of the building. Because the building was empty when the fire broke out, no civilians were killed or injured. 8
The Windsor Building Fire
Windsor fire
The Windsor Building fire

A more recent case of a severe high-rise fire is the one that destroyed the Windsor Building in Madrid, Spain on February 12, 2005. The Windsor fire was more severe than any of the fires described above, and the incident has been widely publicized, with comparisons to the fires in the three World Trade Center skyscrapers on 9/11/01. However, the Windsor Building, unlike all the buildings mentioned above, was framed in steel-reinforced concrete rather than steel. Hence it is described on a separate page, which notes differences between the response of these different types of structures to fires.
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The Beijing Mandarin Oriental Hotel Fire
mandarin fire
The Hotel Mandarin Oriental blazes

The most recent example of a spectacular skyscraper fire was the burning of the Hotel Mandarin Oriental starting on February 9, 2009. The nearly completed 520-foot-tall skyscraper in Beijing caught fire around 8:00 pm, was engulfed within 20 minutes, and burned for at least 3 hours until midnight. Despite the fact that the fire extended across all of the floors for a period of time and burned out of control for hours, no large portion of the structure collapsed.

It is tempting to draw parallels between this spectacle and the destruction of WTC 1, 2, and 7 because of the stark opposites: on 9/11/01, three skyscrapers were transformed into piles of rubble primarily as a consequence, supposedly, of fires — fires spanning small fractions of each building; and on 2/09/09, a skyscraper remained intact after burning like a torch for hours. However such parallels may be limited by major structural differences between the buildings in the two cases — one being that the Hotel Mandarin Oriental, designed by the famous Dutch architect Rem Koolhaas, had a full-height interior atrium, and thus had the hollowness that the 9-11 Commission deceptively attempted to attribute to the Twin Towers. 10

Perhaps the relevance of the Mandarin fire to the events of 9/11/2001 is more symbolic than forensic. The Mandarin fire is examined more fully here.
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2. High-rise Office Building Fire One Meridian Plaza, [cached]
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5. First Interstate Bank Fire, lafire.com, [cached]
6. Interstate Bank Building Fire Los Angeles, California (May 4, 1988), [cached]
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8. Towering Inferno In Caracas, CBSNEWS.com, 10/18/04 [cached]
9. U.S. Report on Trade Center …, New York Times, 4/2/02
10. Fire claims building at CCTV Beijing headquarters, reuters.com,

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/compare/fires.html

15. DML on

“Yeah, sure, the US attacked itself and sacrificed thousands of innocent lives just so they could go get Saddam and bankrupt itself in the process.”

That’s how all corporations work. They make the money and pass the costs on to the tax payer. It was in the US corporate interest to invade Iraq and kill all those people – CEO’s never have to fight in wars. It wasn’t Halliburton or Carlyle or ExxonMobil that went bankrupt – they made billions.

The nuclear industry and the oil industry also makes billions while passing on the costs of the cleanup to the tax payer.

I think whomever is sending this website trolls should send some smarter ones … these ones are boring me.

16. Son of Sam Walton on

Dave, why do you think hempoline is a fossil fuel? I’m all about the biomass, which is why I do welding: to make the machines which will be all hemp fibers and hemp fiber plastics . . . so a once oil pipe will be a hempoline pipe in the future.

In Hunter S. Thompson’s 88′ ‘Generation of Swine’, Hunter predicted the early 21st Century as the ‘Year of the Muslim’ . . . he smelt something smoldering out of the fires of the Iran Contra, which explains 9/11 nearly 100% . . . dope money destroyed 80% of the towers and Pentagon wall. If drugs were never illegal, then Dave would have never heard of 9/11 because the act of keeping drugs illegal, creates a multi-million and billion dollar market for terrorism . . . If I’m wrong, then rest assure Mexico’s problems are not financed with dope money. Drug money finances terrorism, which caused 9/11 and dope money keeps our enemies fighting. Dave: you should avoid eating more than 10 little foil-wrapped acid cookies and quit having your mom type everything. Dope money is what gave the hijackers their airline tickets . . . it was what trained them and fed them and put gasoline in their tanks and housed them in America. Drug money is the only conspiracy when dealing with 9/11 -other than that, it would be lack of action and not going after Osama.

17. David on

You’ve been off posting your BS somewhere else lately and everyone has been glad, little fella. Your pro-war, pro-America military, pro-fossil fuels, pro-death rants were not missed here. The issue of the 9-11 cover story is not just about how the buildings collapsed. There are many holes in the official version of the story. You folks pretending to be experts in physics, (or welding), are just trying to make it seem like there’s only one problem with the official version. Please go back to the right-wing sites where you are welcome with open arms.

18. Son of Sam Walton on

Its just like when you go out and do a weld on an AC-DC machine . . . it was the electricity affected by the crash, fuel and flame, which caused amperage on the steel supports to go up, which as you know causes the metal to be cooked and destroyed . . . you’ve done it a thousand times on your welds when you weld on pipe or plates . . . its all about the amperage. If the WTC building’s electricity was on during impact, then you know it was amperage . . . if all the electricity was off and even off in NY, then you should question . . . you cannot weld when your AC-DC is off can you . . . when that plane crashed full of 02 and fuel, it caused a long arc efect on all the metal, causing the metal to be weeker. With in a second, most of the metal was toast, which caused the concrete to crack.

19. Son of Sam Walton on

Its called welding . . . when you hit the pipe with your arc and you amp up as your hand goes up, it eats all the metal . . . New York City is an electricl city, so when those gases interacted with the metal and electric, it caused a higher amperage that ate away the metal similar to what happens when you hit the pipe with your stinger and long arc it . . . odds are, since no one turned off all of NY’s electricity before the crash, as soon as metal, gas, O2 and fire hit the electrical wires, it burned the bottom of the building at the same time the airplane was burning up in the upper floors . . . like when you get your rod stuck and you see sparks no where near your rod.

And for the Pentagon: No Debris outside . . . when you smash a baseball through a window, most of the glass falls in . . . just like when you weld . . . much of the liquid sprayes toward the flame and inside, not away and out, hence its wetter where its hot.

20. Anonymous on

Yeah, sure, the US attacked itself and sacrificed thousands of innocent lives just so they could go get Saddam and bankrupt itself in the process. You and Ventura should get a padded cell together. You probably think those beams shown in the rubble with obvious torch cuts, so they could remove the debris, were thermite cuts. Doesn’t matter what anyone says, you and Jesse and Moore will never believe the truth, that it was Iran. It’s possible that Iran had cohorts in the US government that helped them, but it was still not the government itself, just a few traitors. The important thing here is not exactly how the act was done, but what happened afterward. Iran got off scot free and the US military trashed Iraq for no good reason, killing 100,000 civilians and thousands of US soldiers in the process. Maybe George Bush and Rumsfeld were in Iran’s pocket. Wouldn’t surprise me at all. But I don’t think they orchestrated 9/11. George Bush wouldn’t have been sitting in that classroom with an upside down book unless he was genuinely surprised and crapping himself because he didn’t have a clue as to how to react, so he just sat there like a turd instead.

21. DML on

“Thus, the failure of the steel was due to two factors: loss of strength due to the temperature of the fire, and loss of structural integrity due to distortion of the steel from the non-uniform temperatures in the fire.”

This does not explain the symmetrical collapse. This does not explain the lack of resistance from the core columns. Even if the core columns had weakened, why did these skyscrapers fall into their own footprints, at near free-fall speed each time? Why didn’t WTC1, WTC2 and WTC7 instead fall over to one side?

“To summarize all of these points, a 500,000 t structure has too much inertia to fall in any direction other than nearly straight down.”

That’s total bullshit. The core columns were massive. They were found in the rubble cut into neat little chunks ready to be shipped off to Asia. had the trusses failed, the columns would have still remained whole, standing up strait, and would have fallen over. They were cut first with thermate and then blown up with explosives – the explosives many eye-witnesses heard.

Your bullshit website doesn’t explain away all the whistle-blowers, the stand-down orders, the lack of demotions for supposed incompetence, the lack of engine holes or engines in the Pentagon, the refusal to release the Pentagon video tapes, the put-options, the admitted advanced warnings, the money transfers from ISI to Atta, the lack of Muslim names on the flight passenger list, the Downing Street memo, Cheney’s energy task force, the “carpet of gold or carpet of bombs” comment, the “Project for a New American Century” and “Grand Chessboard” calls for a new Pearl Harbor, and all the other fucked up things about this obvious false flag. You probably believe the government’s lies about cannabis too … you war-profiteer shill dupe tool.

22. Anonymous on

And here- ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3444393,00.html

23. Anonymous on

See here- ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4120430,00.html

24. Anonymous on

Apparently the links on that page to the explanations of how the calls could be made are dead now, but I read them long ago and it is simply because the calls were made when the planes were at a low altitude, low enough for cell phone calls to go through.

25. Anonymous on

As for the supposedly fake phone calls from the planes. Try here dailypaul.com/100399/airphone-calls-made-on-9-11

It was an attack by Muslims and Iran was responsible for it because they were involved in the birth of Al-Qaeda and probably with the scheme as it progressed. The US just plain wasted trillions of dollars attacking the wrong countries, because they’re idiots, which is also why the attacks were successful in the first place. Stop blaming the US or Israel for what Iran did, Ayatollah lover.

26. Anonymous on

“The temperature of the fire was not uniform everywhere, and the temperature on the outside of the box columns was clearly lower than on the side facing the fire. The temperature along the 18 m long joists was certainly not uniform. Given the thermal expansion of steel, a 150°C temperature difference from one location to another will produce yield-level residual stresses. This produced distortions in the slender structural steel, which resulted in buckling failures. Thus, the failure of the steel was due to two factors: loss of strength due to the temperature of the fire, and loss of structural integrity due to distortion of the steel from the non-uniform temperatures in the fire.
THE COLLAPSE

Nearly every large building has a redundant design that allows for loss of one primary structural member, such as a column. However, when multiple members fail, the shifting loads eventually overstress the adjacent members and the collapse occurs like a row of dominoes falling down.

The perimeter tube design of the WTC was highly redundant. It survived the loss of several exterior columns due to aircraft impact, but the ensuing fire led to other steel failures. Many structural engineers believe that the weak points—the limiting factors on design allowables—were the angle clips that held the floor joists between the columns on the perimeter wall and the core structure (see Figure 5). With a 700 Pa floor design allowable, each floor should have been able to support approximately 1,300 t beyond its own weight. The total weight of each tower was about 500,000 t.

As the joists on one or two of the most heavily burned floors gave way and the outer box columns began to bow outward, the floors above them also fell. The floor below (with its 1,300 t design capacity) could not support the roughly 45,000 t of ten floors (or more) above crashing down on these angle clips. This started the domino effect that caused the buildings to collapse within ten seconds, hitting bottom with an estimated speed of 200 km per hour. If it had been free fall, with no restraint, the collapse would have only taken eight seconds and would have impacted at 300 km/h.1 It has been suggested that it was fortunate that the WTC did not tip over onto other buildings surrounding the area. There are several points that should be made. First, the building is not solid; it is 95 percent air and, hence, can implode onto itself. Second, there is no lateral load, even the impact of a speeding aircraft, which is sufficient to move the center of gravity one hundred feet to the side such that it is not within the base footprint of the structure. Third, given the near free-fall collapse, there was insufficient time for portions to attain significant lateral velocity. To summarize all of these points, a 500,000 t structure has too much inertia to fall in any direction other than nearly straight down.”
tms.org/pubs/journals/jom/0112/eagar/eagar-0112.html

27. DML on

This is your position, summed up in a five minute film:

“As for the buildings collapsing, the towers were just hollow frameworks, really.”

Here are pictures of what the hollow frameworks were built of:

http://infowars.net/pictures/mar07/280307construction.jpg

“Where is the delay that must be expected due to conservation of momentum – one of the foundational Laws of Physics? That is, as upper-falling floors strike lower floors – and intact steel support columns – the fall must be significantly impeded by the impacted mass. If the central support columns remained standing, then the effective resistive mass would be less, but this is not the case – somehow the enormous support columns failed/disintegrated along with the falling floor pans.”

http://infowars.net/articles/march2007/280307blueprints.htm

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/2ec1e114da68.jpg

28. DML on

None of those “alternatives to CC” – NONE of them – would exist at all if it weren’t for High Times. High Times was the premier journal of the cannabis culture for decades before the rest came along. And High Times covered many, many different topics (especially in the early days) – not just pot.

Here are some examples:

http://www.gonzo.org/hst/pix/ht77cov.jpg

http://www.tias.com/stores/fuzzyizzy/pictures/8257a.jpg

http://static.collectvalue.com/projects/collectvalue2/pictures/exhibition/1891/19578/m_Untitled-5.jpg

http://static.collectvalue.com/projects/collectvalue2/pictures/exhibition/1891/19576/m_Untitled-2.jpg

http://static.collectvalue.com/projects/collectvalue2/pictures/exhibition/1891/19596/m_Untitled-23.jpg

29. DML on

“The biggest gap that I see for the truthers, is where are all the thousands that would have to be involved in a conspiracy of this size?”

Hundreds, not thousands.

They’re well paid … some have been promoted (nobody got fired due to the supposed incompetence that is supposed to explain the official story). They’re busy working on the next false flag operation.

Hundreds of people knew about 1) The sinking of the Maine in 1898, 2) The warnings the Germans gave the Americans about the Lusitania in 1915, 3) The Reichstag fire 4) Operation Canned Goods, 5) Decoding Japanese Navy codes and allowing Pearl Harbor to happen, 6) The Gulf of Tonkin incident being a sham, 7) Operation Ajax, 8) Operation North Woods etc etc etc … they all kept their mouths shut. Secret, successful false flags have been the rule, not the exception.

Furthermore, there HAVE been whistle blowers about 9/11 … but no major media will report on them:

“When losing a discussion on the facts of 9/11, a so-called 9/11 “debunker” will often rely on an old canard to “prove” that 9/11 could not have been an inside job: “So many people want their quarter hour of fame that even the Men in Black couldn’t squelch the squealers from spilling the beans,” write self-satisfied defenders of the government story. According to the logic of this argument, if there are no 9/11 whistleblowers then 9/11 was not an inside job.

So what if there are 9/11 whistleblowers? What if these whistleblowers come from every level of government and private industry, individuals who have even had their cases vindicated by internal government reports? As you are about to see, there are numerous such whistleblowers and each one is a thorn in the side of those who want to pretend that the 9/11 Commission represents the sum total of knowledge on the 9/11 attacks.”

A Guide to the 9/11 Whistleblowers
Courageous insiders, gagged, hounded and ignored

by James Corbett

Global Research, March 5, 2010

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=17961

See, the truth of the matter is, there are two conspiracy theories competing with each other. There’s the “false-flag inside job” theory, which is the historically consistent one. And then there’s the one you believe in … this one here, summed up in a five minute film:

Don’t blame me for not believing in the official one … it’s so insane only an idiot, a nut-job, a dupe or a coward could possibly believe that theory.

30. DML on

Spend your money where you like.

But the only “madness” is supporting the official story – please explain how you get symmetrical collapse from asymmetrical damage.

31. DML on

If 9/11 wasn’t an inside job, how do you get symmetrical collapse from asymmetrical damage?

32. DML on

Either you believe in conspiracies or coincidences. Personally I think the less credible position is the coincidences. Also none of the critics have bothered trying to explain a symmetrical collapse arising from asymmetrical damage.

Given the fact that overwhelming evidence points to 9/11 being an inside job, the next question is – how will these false-flag operations effect marijuana legalization efforts. The answer – if it is an honest one – must be “quite a lot”.

So trying to argue that it’s “irrelevant” is silly – unless you have an excellent plan on how to legalize cannabis from within a FEMA camp. I bet you don’t.

33. Anonymous on

At first I believed the conspiracy theories but after doing the research I saw that I was wrong. It really was just a crude attack by Muslim fanatics. For instance, people like Jesse Ventura think that no plane actually hit the Pentagon. Well, it did. You just can’t see it in most of the CCTV shots because of the angle and the low frame rate of the CCTV. There is one shot, however, where you can clearly see the tail rudder of the plane. There is also a video on YouTube that is a 3D reconstruction of the event. It shows the exact path of the plane, with a bunch of lamp poles sheered off by it on the way to the building. Are we to believe that the government went out there in plain view and broke those lamp poles off with a crane or something just to make it look legit? C’mon. It hit a bunch of stuff and then we see the rudder in the actual CCTV video. Ventura is a nut, and so is anyone who thinks that could have been staged without anyone noticing.

As for the buildings collapsing, the towers were just hollow frameworks, really. There wasn’t much interior structure to them at all. They really could just collapse like that. Building 7 is a little more suspicious but the other towers collapsing near them would have been like an earthquake and probably weakened it enough to collapse too. Regardless of the precise engineering details involved, everything points to 9/11 being simply a crude attack by wacky Muslims. To attribute the destruction to the US or even Israel is to diminish the responsibility of the Muslims. They did it. They got on planes easily with box cutters and then easily got into the cockpits, which weren’t even locked. The US didn’t NEED to set it up. It was ridiculously easy for the Muslims to carry out because of the utter incompetence of the US air transport authorities and intelligence agencies, simple as that. Then afterward they attacked the wrong country. Israel, which actually has competent intelligence agencies, TOLD the US that Iraq was not the problem, it was Iran, the US ignored them and sacrificed thousands of US soldiers just to get one guy that Bush had a grudge against.

Iran is still there with Scruffy Face and the Ayatollah still spewing anti-American and anti-Israel diatribes, because the US leaders are a bunch of idiots. They are actually too incompetent to pull off a complex conspiracy like the supposed 9/11 conspiracy. There would be evidence all over the place. Michael Moore is giving them WAY too much credit. The US were stupid and they paid the price, period. Next time Iran will make a mushroom cloud over Manhattan instead of just a dust cloud.

34. David on

Any website that covers the drug war is going to expose the generalized American bully position worldwide, including the CIA, spooks, covert wars, black ops and dirty tricks the US has pulled forever. The drug war is part of America’s larger war against freedom and for capitalist greed everywhere. The US government is responsible for the founder of this website being in an American jail, even though the founder is Canadian. If you are so pro-America and so brainwashed into the official preposterous version of 9-11 events, then best you go to those other sites and keep on jacking off like the blind mole that you are.

35. Anonymous on

I have to agree, even before the current Obama is wrong on everything so we must oppose him always, it has always been hell to do anything on a large scale, whether its corporate of government, even among the same party and people who want the same end goal there is always opposition because it isn’t done exactly how they want. Someone somewhere will leak\talk, hell our electronic companies can’t even keep their stuff secret, there info is always leaked, sometimes up to a year or more before the actual product is released.

Now, you’re telling me that even though it would require the use of a team of trained explosive experts to plant the bomb, the “shadow government” to give\conceive the plan, the 1000’s of people\organizations that would need to be in on it to effectively carry it out, you’re telling me no one had any objections? No one said “ya I’m not going to be involved with this, in fact I’m going to go tell someone about what your planning” There were no leaks? No one has come forward to confess involvement and give actual evidence that x people were involved and did exactly this? You’re telling me that for the first time in history a large group of people all thought exactly alike with no missteps, miscommunications, or papertrail, to pull off the perfect plan? ………..ya I’m going to have to call complete and utter BS

36. Rony on

To those who no longer wish to frequent this website for cannabis news, here are some alternatives (tin foil hat not required):

37. Randy on

The biggest gap that I see for the truthers, is where are all the thousands that would have to be involved in a conspiracy of this size?
Nobody involved has come forward to confess their role in this?
What is more likely, that thousands of Gov’t employees were involved, and the cover-up was perfectly executed? OR
That we were attacked by an enemy that we refused to take seriously enough in the first place, and got bit in the ass for it?
R

38. Anonymous on

Also to let you know I am pulling all support I have been providing for this cause and going with more reliable forums who do not support this type of maddness. I suggest others do the same, as CC is starting to go down hill.

39. Anonymous on

Shit in one hand and think up stories that have no truth in the other and tell me whick fills up first. You guys are really showing how uneducated and the lack of comon sense you have in your little minds. How pathetic… stick to marijuana as that seems all that you are good at.

40. DML on

I’m willing to bet that you’re a late-comer to the Movement, Mikko.

It’s a movement made up of individuals – not all of which limit themselves to just one issue.

MLK got flack for speaking out against Vietnam … by people who had not been fighting for civil rights as hard as he had been fighting for as long as he had been fighting.

If you think focusing on a single issue gets results, why not lead by example and show us all how to do it right? I would love to see your results.

Some of us feel that it’s OK to speak out against more than one contrived, infinite war. If you don’t like it, tough shit, it’s not your movement to direct and control, it’s OUR movement that we all get input into.

Here … educate yourself a bit more about the war you say we should remain silent about:

http://www.infowars.com/in-the-wake-of-911-33-of-50-states-are-actively-spying-on-americans/

http://www.infowars.com/highly-credible-people-question-911/

http://tv.globalresearch.ca/2011/09/after-911-ten-years-war

http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=26340

41. mikko on

Schizophrenic assholes. Some people seriously try to legalize cannabis and then you mother fuckers come and undermine everything by writing paranoid shit like this.

42. Anonymous on

it’s ok to have more than one censer or position, and iv said it here earlier that I’m fine with that, hell I could care less if you thing 9, 11 was an inside job or not, my problem is this subject has no reason\right to be presented on this site, especially during the weakly podcast that’s suppose to be about the news\events that happened or are going to happen in the marijuana community. When you’re on a site whose soul purpose is to talk about cannabis and cannabis related news and commentary, it’s a little BS to pull something like this and have something completely unrelated to the established topic of the site just because the host thought it was a neat think to talk about. It’s called “cannabis culture” not cannabis and conspiracy culture.

That’s like going to E3 and having all the game developers have all there press releases and panels about the legality of the Cuban embargo. Ya it a legitimate subject for discussion, but that’s neither the time nor place for it, you came there for video games not Cuban American policy. It’s the same here this is a cannabis and cannabis news site, not a hey lets discuses and use site resources and time to talk about a completely unrelated topic of the hosts own personal interest.

It’s not so much the subject they derailed to (although it does help that it’s a known conspiracy theory) a derail is a derail, I would be mad if they had devoted a major amount of time to the discussion of or animal cruelty, it’s not the subject it’s the fact they pulled a blatant bait and switch on us, they advertised this as a cannabis site but gave me conspiracies instead. That’s what pisses me off the most.

43. DML on

Hmmm … this artificial limit on the number of issues one is allowed to give a fuck about (you can care about this infinite war but not that infinite war) sounds so familiar:

Starting in 1965, King began to express doubts about the United States’ role in the Vietnam War. In an April 4, 1967 appearance at the New York City Riverside Church—exactly one year before his death—King delivered a speech titled “Beyond Vietnam”.[86] He spoke strongly against the U.S.’s role in the war, insisting that the U.S. was in Vietnam “to occupy it as an American colony”[87]:107 and calling the U.S. government “the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today”.[87]:102 He also argued that the country needed larger and broader moral changes:

A true revolution of values will soon look uneasily on the glaring contrast of poverty and wealth. With righteous indignation, it will look across the seas and see individual capitalists of the West investing huge sums of money in Asia, Africa and South America, only to take the profits out with no concern for the social betterment of the countries, and say: “This is not just.”[87]:109

King also was opposed to the Vietnam War on the grounds that the war took money and resources that could have been spent on social welfare services like the War on Poverty. The United States Congress was spending more and more on the military and less and less on anti-poverty programs at the same time. He summed up this aspect by saying, “A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defense than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual death”.[87]:109

King’s opposition cost him significant support among white allies, including President Johnson, union leaders and powerful publishers. “The press is being stacked against me,” King complained.[88] Life magazine called the speech “demagogic slander that sounded like a script for Radio Hanoi”,[87]:109 and The Washington Post declared that King had “diminished his usefulness to his cause, his country, his people.”[89]:148

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther_King,_Jr.#Opposition_to_the_Vietnam_War

I think MLK said it best when he said:

The truth of these words is beyond doubt, but the mission to which they call us is a most difficult one. Even when pressed by the demands of inner truth, men do not easily assume the task of opposing their government’s policy, especially in time of war. Nor does the human spirit move without great difficulty against all the apathy of conformist thought within one’s own bosom and in the surrounding world. Moreover, when the issues at hand seem as perplexing as they often do in the case of this dreadful conflict, we are always on the verge of being mesmerized by uncertainty; but we must move on.

And some of us who have already begun to break the silence of the night have found that the calling to speak is often a vocation of agony, but we must speak. We must speak with all the humility that is appropriate to our limited vision, but we must speak. And we must rejoice as well, for surely this is the first time in our nation’s history that a significant number of its religious leaders have chosen to move beyond the prophesying of smooth patriotism to the high grounds of a firm dissent based upon the mandates of conscience and the reading of history. Perhaps a new spirit is rising among us. If it is, let us trace its movements and pray that our own inner being may be sensitive to its guidance, for we are deeply in need of a new way beyond the darkness that seems so close around us.

http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/mlkatimetobreaksilence.htm

Guess what … we’re allowed to have opinions on more than one war, despite your arguments to the contrary. Why not go volunteer to fight in Pipelinestan if you’re so eager to support the oil war … lead by example, Anonymous!

44. Anonymous on

Yes thanks Jeremiah, thank you for high jacking a show about cannabis news and legalization to push your personal beliefs on a completely unrelated subject. It’s totally not an abuse of your position and trust with your viewers.

45. Anonymous on

Yes, please show us this “real research” you did Johnny.

You should be embarrassed now for your lame comment totally devoid of any substance or facts.

46. Budlover on

Uh huh. Sure you are. Where did you go to school? Where do you work? Do you have the balls to put your professional credentials on the line?

And where are these millions, you say, who disagree? Give us some names. Can you name even one who will go on the record? Not one engineer or architect will debate Richard Gauge from AE911Truth. Maybe you would like to debate him on the record.

Why don’t you explain to us how WTC 7 Building collapsed at free fall speed into a perfect pile of dust? You don’t because you can’t. Please show us how that’s possible Johnny the mechanical engineer.

47. Johnny on

I’m a mechanical engineer actually. I always get a kick out of the Architects and engineers for 9/11 truth… There’s over 1,000 who support them, meanwhile there’s millions who disagree. So there’s stupid people in every profession… so what?

Believe me I’m not some ignorant idiot… I was actually a truther myself when I was in high school. Then when I got off the conspiracy sites and did some real research I realized I was completely wrong and have been embarrassed ever sense.

48. Anonymous on

People like you, who attack others who question government lies, are the real problem.

Cannabis Culture and many other independent publications are asking real questions.

All you do is lob insults like “this is a bunch of ridiculous nonsense”, “dumbest decisions you could have ever made”, “pot has rotted your brain” and “pathetic claims” but you don’t present any evidence.

Why don’t you try to argue the evidence? Because you don’t know what you’re talking about and CC does!!!!!!

49. FrankG on

I thought this was probably the best episode of the show I’ve seen and I’ve seen a bunch. Thanks Jeremiah

50. Anonymous on

Nice try trolly. I’ve seen you use this same technique on other sites that choose to report on 911 truth and you have already commented several times here to make it look like people agree with you.

You said: “the evidence for an inside job is lacking”

So why don’t you show us some of the evidence that shows Bin Laden did it?

You can’t because there isn’t any.

If this was a court of law, would you convict Bin Laden? Show the evidence if you can.

51. Anonymous on

If you have actually looked at the evidence and still believe what the government says, you are the crazy one.

Why doesn’t one of the people complaining here actually bring forward some of the evidence they find compelling that shows Bin Laden did it. No one will because there isn’t any. There is no evidence pointing to Bin Laden, only hollow claims from the CIA and US Government.

The Government has lied about everything it has ever done, including the drug war and 911.

How could anyone from the pot community actually believe what the government says? Are you people insane?

Thanks you CC for covering some of the real truth of 911

52. Anonymous on

Most magazines and newspapers are run by corporations or get grants from the government or foundations.

Cannabis Culture and High Times are both independent and thats why they can talk about the TRUTH!

Anyone who believes the official story of 9/11 is either ignorant of the facts, in denial or lying.

Find out for yourself: http://911research.wtc7.net/

53. Br8kfree on

The evidence obviously points to a government coverup and anyone who believes the opposite hasn’t looked into the evidence for themselves. All you need to do ask any scientist, engineer or architect who doesn’t work for the government or Popular Mechanics (hack media) and they all say the same thing. The official story is bogus.

I am so happy that Cannabis Culture decided to cover this topic. Thank you so much. Don’t let the troll comments discourage this kind of coverage. These guys follow 9/11 stories around to write negative comments

This site is great: http://911blogger.com/

Br8kfree

54. Anonymous on

Phhh, why don’t you go back to your loony bin and put your tin foil hat back on.

Also lol “no cedis” you the one using faulty logic, hell just because we disagree with your position\ criticized a bad choice made by cannabis culture. That must mean were totally against cannabis and legalization, if you make those kinds of logical mistakes why should we take any of your other beliefs seriously? You’ve already proven you jump to conclusions without taking the necessary time to think your positions threw.

55. David on

Cannabis Culture is about wars, especially the drug wars, and about how nefarious governments are. Anybody with a brain can see that the official version of 9-11 is a cover story. If you can’t see that, guess what you are lacking?
What is a conspiracy? A bunch of people planning and doing something together, that’s what. You apparently don’t know that Osama bin Laden and other “freedom fighters” were trained by the CIA, to use terrorist tactics against the Russians when they occupied Afghanistan. Why would the US government and its spooks be involved in looking the other way or staging an attack that leads to the Patriot Act, billions of dollars funneled to Dick Cheney’s war profiteer companies, and invasion of oil/mineral rich companies? Duh, I just don’t know how anyone could suspect the US government of sacrificing American lives for money. I feel sorry for the pro-America super-patriots who believe America is holy and innocent people died all because of a few SAUDIS with bolt cutters.
Well guess what, chumps- the American government came into Canada to basically kidnap Marc Emery for a “crime” that nobody in Canada ever goes to jail for. Your American government is a warmonger, torture-happy bunch of war criminals, and if you believe the official version of 9-11, that’s fine, but don’t come on here and talk down to Cannabis Culture. They’ve been standing up for freedom a hell of a lot longer and stronger than your anonymous asses ever could or will. If you don’t like what Cannabis Culture reports, then go on find a site that’s pro-America bullshit. I highly doubt you are a cannabis advocate anyway. You are the one with no creds! You are a 9-11 NON-TRUTHER. No go buy Cheney’s book like a good boy.

56. DML on

“… the disastrous crashes – I’m still not sure who did that – I think there’s allot more to it than we’ve been allowed to know … I’m very disturbed about the civil rights implications of this – I think everyone should be.”

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Michael Moore: 9/11 Could Be Inside Job
Discusses Explosions in Buildings, Demands ‘100 Angles’ of Pentagon Video, and Calls for a New Investigation– “They Haven’t Even Told Us Half the Truth.”

Aaron Dykes
Jones Report
Tuesday June 19, 2007

Academy Award winner Michael Moore answered questions on 9/11 truth during a sneak peak of his new documentary, SICKO, in New York.

Our reporters were initially avoided by Moore, but he subsequently decided to approach We Are Change.org/ Infowars.com reporters for a discussion.

Moore brought up his lingering questions on 9/11, which are a clear departure from the ‘government negligence’ picture he painted in his film Fahrenheit 9/11, released some three years ago.

Moore told reporters, “I’ve had a number of firefighters tell me over the years and since Fahrenheit 9/11 that they heard these explosions– that they believe there’s MUCH more to the story than we’ve been told. I don’t think the official investigations have told us the complete truth– they haven’t even told us half the truth.”

Michael Moore brought up the blackout of video at the site of the alleged Pentagon plane crash on his own, appearing quite willing to discuss subjects that so-called left gatekeepers have previously refused to raise questions about.

“I’ve filmed there before down at the Pentagon– before 9/11– there’s got to be at least 100 cameras, ringing that building, in the trees, everywhere. They’ve got that plane coming in with 100 angles. How come with haven’t seen the straight– I’m not talking about stop-action photos, I’m talking about the video. I want to see the video; I want to see 100 videos that exist of this,” Moore said.

He went on to imply the implausibility of a pilot executing the flight pattern of the flight that allegedly hit the Pentagon.

“Why don’t they want us to see that plane coming into the building? Because, if you know anything about flying a plane, when you’re going 500 miles per hour, if you’re off by that much, you’re in the river. So, they hit a building that’s only 5 stories high…[unclear] that expertly. I believe that there will be answers in that video tape and we should demand that that tape is released.”

Michael Moore was not vague or bashful in discussing 9/11 truth– rather, he demanded a “new investigation before we get too far away from this– to find out the whole truth.”

“And I intend, in my own way, to find some answers,” Moore added. “Thank you for doing whatever you’re doing.”

Amy Goodman, who was also at the premiere, cowered from a question that brought up the fact that she witnessed WTC Building 7 collapse– she was seen on video during news coverage of the apparent demolition. She declined even a brief response, stating that an interview was about to begin.

Moore’s most recent comments on 9/11 are a far cry from statements he made to Alex Jones during the 2004 RNC convention when he told Jones, tongue-in-cheek, that he didn’t report on NORAD standing down because “it would be un-American.”

This is a huge development given the fact that, despite overwhelming discontent with the Bush Administration, many left leaning personalities have previously dismissed the importance of investigating 9/11 or simply decline to discuss any outstanding questions or relevant evidence. Noam Chomsky, for one, suggested that it “wouldn’t matter” even if 9/11 had been hatched from a government plot.

Will the mainstream media continue to ignore the fact that the official story on 9/11 is all but dead, and more and more figures are coming forth to demand the truth?

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2007/190607Moore.htm

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SYMMETRICAL collapse from asymmetrical damage, I mean.

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“The time is always right to do what is right.” – Martin Luther King Jr.

So someone explain to me how you get asymmetrical collapse out of symmetrical damage with three different skyscrapers – never before or since with any other skyscraper.

I guess you all think your government lies to you about pot but tells the truth about everything else? Keep thinking that way and you might find yourself in the wrong skyscraper the next time it happens.

60. David on

What is your problem Cannabis Culture? You’re losing credibility for the movement when you start saying stuff like this, no one and I mean no one will take you seriously ever again. You conspiracy theorists make it seem like pot has rotted your brain, and I know for a fact that marijuana doesn’t have that effect. Grow up, this is a bunch of ridiculous nonsense, I used to really like CC before you posted this crap. Talk about one of the dumbest decisions you could have ever made, Cannabis Culture is supposed to be about cannabis activism, not idiotic conspiracy theories. Thousands of innocent Americans were slain on that day, why the hell would the United States be apart of that? When you start disrespecting the victims of 9/11 by stating these pathetic claims, you’ve truly crossed the line.

61. Anonymous on

Worst CC live episode ever Jeremy, Hang it up man
Fuck the 420 flash watevever fag mop

62. Anonymous on

Absolutely sickening. I agree with all that you do and you guys go and post crap like this. Alot of people died and America… even though it has its probelems, is still a great nation to live in. We love and protect Canada and you guys do this…. I am appauled!

63. Anonymous on

Of course it makes pot lose credibility! Both High Times & CC are promoting evidence-free loony toons conspiracy theories & libertarianism… that added to the New Age nonsense gives pot an even more uphill battle. Pot has ethics & truth on its side, but the pot supporters are too far ‘in left field’.

64. Anonymous on

CC jumped the shark. The US funded Al Qaeda to fight against the USSR in the 1980’s, & the Bush W. administration was notoriously flippant about threats of attack, but the evidence for an inside job is lacking. Muslim fundamentalist really did kill a few thousand people… they did not need some US official to urge them, like, “come on pals, attack us so we can invade Iraq & role back civil rights”.
-Fahrenheit 9/11 is an awesome film, by the way, but it does not suggest this ‘truther’ idea… that film takes an ethical look at how badly the US reacted to the mass murder; there aren’t aliens from another planet in Area 51, fluoride isn’t brain control, the moon landing was real, 9/11 wasn’t an inside job, evolution is real, continental drift is real, Ron Paul’s policies are based on falsehoods & are unethical in practice, global warming is real, vaccines don’t cause autism…

Anyway, I had fun at this site, I learned some good stuff… I’m not going to be a regular on a ‘truther’ site, but the pot coverage was pretty good. Hopefully the prohibition on the illegal drugs, especially the cannabis prohibition, will end. peace

-now that both High Times & CC are promoting evidence-free conspiracy theories, the pot prohibition will probably be more difficult to do away with… that’s a horrible shame because cannabis deserves a better crowd.

65. Rony on

This is the first comment that I post to this website, and my last. I agree with the sentiments of the last two comments. Cannabis culture will no longer be part of daily readings.

66. Anonymous on

I have to agree, keep up the legalization work….but really…9, 11 conspiracy’s?

You really couldn’t have used that time for something more productive, informative, and helpful to the movement and less……well BS? Don’t get me wrong I’m not one of those raving 9,11 super patriots, and its fine if you believe in it, but don’t try to shoehorn a completely unrelated topic into this just because you personally like it. I can’t help but feel like you pulled a bait and switch, “here, come to us for you cannabis news and sane and rational commentary” but once we arrive its conspiracies and other stuff. I must say for me you’ve just lost a large amount of respect, credibility and professionalism in my eyes. I hope it was worth it.

67. Johnny on

Hey. First off I’m huge fans of what you guys do and love you all. But I got to say I really disagree with all the 9/11 CT’s. I don’t want to get into a debate about it. I just wanted to say, I really wish you keep what your doing and that is marijuana activism. I worry that linking pot activists to conspiracy theories could hurt the movement and make us lose some of our credibility.

Again, you guys are awesome, but let’s stay focused on legalizing marijuana!
Peace!