Synthetic Cannabis Mimic Found In Herbal Incense
A chemical substance first synthesized in 1995 in a university lab in the US for purely experimental purposes is now being used by young people around the world to legally achieve a marijuana-like high and is causing alarm among health officials in Europe.
The synthetic substance, JWH-018, a cannabinoid receptor agonist from the aminoalkylindole family, has been found in herbal mixtures sold legally under various 'spice' names, such as Spice Gold and Spice Yucatan Fire. The mixture is sold as incense, but is smoked to get high.
Germany's Drug Commissioner Sabine Bätzing has vowed to make the sale of Spice mixtures illegal in Germany by the end of January, by modifying the Controlled Substances Act. She says Spice can have negative side effects and be addictive. Switzerland, Austria and the Netherlands have already banned Spice.
As Spice grew in popularity over the past year, several laboratories tried unsuccessfully to deduce what ingredient was responsible for the high, with one expert suggesting it was simply a placebo effect. But in December, THC Pharm, a Frankfurt, Germany-based company that makes medicines from cannabis, was able to detect JWH-018 in several packets of Spice.
Christian Steup, a medical doctor and pharmacist in charge of quality control at THC Pharm who supervised the analysis, told Chemistry World that he was able to detect JWH-018 while bigger labs failed because he had synthesised the substance about two years ago and all information was still on the company computer.
The substance, which he said can be bought from producers in China, is added to the Spice herbal mixture. Quantities of JWH-018 in Spice packets tested varied widely, from as little as 0.2 per cent of the total mixture to as much as 3 per cent, Steup says.
JWH-018 is four to five times more potent than tetrahydrocannabinol, more commonly known as THC, which is the main psychoactive substance in cannabis, Steup says, adding that JWH-018 'is fascinating because the chemical structure does not look at all like THC, but it produces the same effects.'
The chemist who designed (and lent his initials to) JWH-18, John W Huffman, an organic chemist at Clemson University in South Carolina, told Chemistry World that his goal had been to make a simple compound to study structure-receptor relationships. The compound interacts with both cannabis receptors. The first batch was actually made by an undergraduate student working under a post-doc. 'It is really easy to make,' Huffman said.
JWH-018 has not been licensed anywhere in the world for medical applications and little is known about the effect on humans, as not even pre-clinical studies have been to determine potential toxicity. Steup says he is inclined to believe it is not toxic, and that he would be more concerned about any lingering impurities from the production process.
Huffman says, 'I don't have a clue.' But noting the similar highs produced by THC and JWH-018, he says: 'You cannot overdose on THC. You can forget your name or where you are, but too much THC will not kill you.'
Asked whether he sees any potential medical applications for JWH-018, he said: 'No. It's like LSD, the only thing it is good for is getting you high.'
- Article from Chemistry World on January 15, 2009.
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CC rails against any synthetic crap like this.GOOD for CC and Canadian sah-mokers.
The fact only one lab can
The fact only one lab can even find this chemical in the product worries me a bit. The company doesn't even mention it as an ingredient. Honestly though the stuff tastes like crap and the high is very unnatural feeling. I'll stick to the real stuff.
I wouldn't smoke this stuff
I wouldn't smoke this stuff if it was offered to me. Its like cigarettes, you don't know what you're smoking.
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Scullcap can also be an excellent natural alternative treatment for the chemical effects of Methadone treatment. People with drug or alcohol dependencies may benefit from taking scullcap during the withdrawal period. Caution should be taken when using scullcap, however, because it has been known to cause confusion and giddiness when too much is taken. Other symptoms of overdose include stupor and twitching of limbs.
Scullcap grows natively in North America and is an abundant perennial herb that grows in damp areas, ditches, meadows, and near small bodies of water along most of the east coast and in parts of Texas. Scullcap is easily recognized by its pairs of red and blue flowers. It is also called Mad Dog Scullcap because years ago it was thought to cure rabies.
Scullcap is easy to grow in a sunny location in any ordinary garden soil. To harvest for use, gather the above ground parts in the summer as the flowers bloom, dry it and then store it. Scullcap is not long-lived, so replanting every few years is recommended.
Scullcap is a traditional Chinese herb that is used medicinally to treat many different health conditions. This includes hepatitis, cancer, epilepsy, and assorted infections. Scullcap contains flavonoids that make it so effective, yet researchers have not been able to determine exactly why or how skullcap is so beneficial.
Scullcap can be used as a powerful alternative treatment in these ways:
•Scullcap has antibacterial properties that powerfully stop the growth of Staphylococcus aureus, Streptococcus peumoniae, and Pseudomonas aeroginosa. In situations of antibiotic resistance, Scullcap can be an effective treatment.
•Scullcap has beneficial gastrointestinal effects and can slow down intestinal movement.
•Scullcap is a natural fever reducer.
•Scullcap beneficially enhances the central and sympathetic nervous systems.
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•Scullcap increases the flow of bile and can lower cholesterol.
•Scullcap can be used to promote menstruation.
•Scullcap is effective at inducing sleep when necessary without unpleasant side effects.
•Scullcap is useful for relief of digestive upsets as well as urinary tract infections.
•Scullcap is useful for regulating sexual desires, and can relieve feminine cramps and menstrual discomforts.
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Red Clover Tea
In Shakespearean times, Red Clover(Trifolium pratense) was known as "Honey Stalks" because it was so liked by bees. Red Clover is one of the world's oldest agricultural crops, cultivated since prehistoric times, and has a long history as a religious and magical symbol.
Early Christians linked the plant to the Trinity, and during the Middle Ages, it was considered a charm against evil. The four-leaf clover , an occasional variety resulting from mutation, was and still is considered a sign for luck.
Red Clover was also the model for the "clubs" suit in playing cards. Among the largest of the various clover species, Red Clover has a celebrated reputation for its health properties. Red Clover has a celebrated reputation for its health properties.
Red Clover has a delicate flavor that can be brewed and served hot or cold and sweetened with honey. Many enjoy Red Clover tea mixed with Chamomile tea.
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Damiana has been used by the native peoples of Central America for centuries. Damiana arouses the passionate nature in both men and women
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Mugwort Herb (Artemisia vulgaris)
Latin Name: Artemisia vulgaris
Common Names: Mugwort Herb
Mugwort Herb or Artemisia vulgaris, has a long and rich history of use in medicine as an herbal remedy for wide and diverse range of ailments from epilepsy and rheumatism to constipation. Mugwort Herb has shown promise as an antifungal and antibacterial agent. Plus, it is a great source of vitamin C, calcium and zinc.
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As its Latin name cardiaca suggests, motherwort has traditionally been used to treat heart conditions. The ancient Greeks and Romans employed motherwort to treat heart palpitations as well as depression, which they considered a problem of the heart. Centuries later, Europeans would believe motherwort helpful for "infirmities of the heart" but also considered the herb to have strengthening and stimulating effects on the uterus, using it to bring on a delayed menstrual period, as an aid during labor, and to relax a woman's womb after childbirth.
These uses of motherwort correspond well with those in traditional Chinese medicine, which employs the Asian variety, Leonurus artemisia , to treat menstrual disorders or to help a woman expel a dead fetus and placenta from her womb. 1 In eastern China, women still drink a syrup made from motherwort to promote the recovery of the uterus after childbirth; the herb has a strong bitter taste, so visitors to a recovering mother often bring along sugar as a gift. 2
What Is Motherwort Used for Today?
Germany's Commission E has authorized motherwort for the treatment of rapid or irregular heatbeat caused by anxiety and stress , as well as part of an overall treatment plan for an overactive thyroid ( hyperthyroidism , a condition that also causes irregualr heartbeat).
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The almond that we think of as a nut is technically the seed of the fruit of the almond tree, a medium-size tree that bears fragrant pink and white flowers. Like its cousins, the peach, cherry and apricot trees, the almond tree bears fruits with stone-like seeds (or pits) within. The seed of the almond fruit is what we refer to as the almond nut.
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Almonds are an ancient food that have been written about in historical texts, including the Bible. Almonds were thought to have originated in regions in western Asia and North Africa. The Romans referred to almonds as the "Greek nut" in reference to the civilization suggested to have first cultivated them.
Almonds are now grown in many of the countries that border the Mediterranean Sea including Spain, Italy, Portugal and Morocco, as well as in California. The cultivation of almonds in California, the only state that produces them, has an interesting history. Almond trees were originally brought to California centuries ago when missions were created by the Spanish, but cultivation of the trees was abandoned when the missions were closed. Almond trees found their way back to California in the 19th century via the eastern United States. In 1840, almond trees were brought over from Europe and were first planted in New England. Because the climate on the Eastern seaboard did not support their cultivation, the trees were brought to California where they thrived and continue to do so.
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Molasses History
The English term molasses comes from the Portuguese melaço which in turn is derived from the Latin mel, meaning honey. Melasus (sic) was first seen in print in 1582 in a Portuguese book heralding the conquest of the West Indies.
Molasses was exported to the U.S. from the West Indies to make rum. High taxes were levied on molasses by the British via the Molasses Act of 1733, but the duties were so widely ignored by U.S. colonists that the taxes were reduced in 1764 in hopes more would comply.
Up until the 1880's, molasses was the most popular sweetener in the United States, because it was much cheaper than refined sugar. It was considered particularly tasty with salt pork.
After the end of World War I, refined sugar prices dropped drastically resulting in the migration of consumers from molasses to white sugar crystals. By 1919, U.S. per capita consumption of white sugar was twice what it was in 1880, with most Americans completely switching from molasses to granulated white and brown sugar.
In January of 1919, a huge vat of molasses at the Purity Distilling Company in Boston exploded. What came to be known as the "Great Molasses Flood" killed 21 people and spilled two million gallons of molasses into the streets.
Interestingly enough, molasses now costs about twice as much as refined sugar. Along with industrial alcohol and rum products, molasses can also be used to make yeast, cure tobacco, and in cattle feed.
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As its Latin name cardiaca suggests, motherwort has traditionally been used to treat heart conditions. The ancient Greeks and Romans employed motherwort to treat heart palpitations as well as depression, which they considered a problem of the heart. Centuries later, Europeans would believe motherwort helpful for "infirmities of the heart" but also considered the herb to have strengthening and stimulating effects on the uterus, using it to bring on a delayed menstrual period, as an aid during labor, and to relax a woman's womb after childbirth.
These uses of motherwort correspond well with those in traditional Chinese medicine, which employs the Asian variety, Leonurus artemisia , to treat menstrual disorders or to help a woman expel a dead fetus and placenta from her womb. 1 In eastern China, women still drink a syrup made from motherwort to promote the recovery of the uterus after childbirth; the herb has a strong bitter taste, so visitors to a recovering mother often bring along sugar as a gift. 2
What Is Motherwort Used for Today?
Germany's Commission E has authorized motherwort for the treatment of rapid or irregular heatbeat caused by anxiety and stress , as well as part of an overall treatment plan for an overactive thyroid ( hyperthyroidism , a condition that also causes irregualr heartbeat). 3
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Besides being used in a tea, or tincture, or smoked, Sacred Blue Lily can also be used as follows -
"The ancient Egyptians put Sacred Blue Lily into wine and beer.
One can use 21 grams of dried flowers per 750ml bottle of red wine.
You only need to soak it overnight, but a few days makes it stronger.
They undoubtedly soaked it in barrels of wine for as long as they aged the wine."
From my experience if you soak it too long it tastes quite bitter and the effect is too strong.
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yall are dumb if u eat it it
yall are dumb if u eat it it will get u high u dumb asses u cant od on it so u buy the pure JWH-018 nd make the in high doses!!!!!!!!!!!! one kid sayes smokahs fuck that i love smokein weed but is i can take it in a pill i would cut down on smokein nd take pills i got i job where i would get fired for smelling like it if i could just take it in a pill its all good hit me up dcthepunk420@aim.com
cannabis
Say what??? Was that supposed to be coherent. If it was then you are definitely smoking far too much weed!!! Some is cool, too much is not!
ay yo i was wasted when i
ay yo i was wasted when i wrote that lol but yea jwh-018 isnt bad man yall are pussy as lil wayne sayed "like it and love it"
Wow! This guy is like the
Wow! This guy is like the worst advertising ever. Please, anyone who is tempted to try but scared away because it will make you think, act, talk, (etc) like this guy just disregard his post. I think he was dropped as a child... often.
you need to learn to spell
you need to learn to spell you dumb ass!!!! no one knows what you are trying to say
The fact only one lab can
Honestly, though, you must not have ever tasted it or gotten high off of it. I don't know who gave you what, but don't hate till you know what's up. There is no taste at all, and you'd know that if you'd tasted it, and if not marijuana, I have no clue what else you'd compare it too besides something stronger if too much is consumed, I would imagine. But you probably feel unnatural and have a bad taste because somebody gave you some bunk shit. So you probably should stick to the real shit. Unfortunately, I can't for the time being, so I'm all about it. And it sure doesn't hurt that it's four to five more potent than the "real thing," which is 100 percent, from experience, true. So just stick to the shwag, and you really should give the real thing a try sometime because what you're describing sure wasn't what I had.
hey fuck you. what about the
hey fuck you. what about the people who get on probation and have to smake this shit? i prefer dank as much as anybody but p.e.p pourri is a great alternative to marijuana and your drug test will be clean.
i wrk in an adault tore an sell fake weed all day long.....
the store i wrk at drug tests me an ive failed twice, but im a really hard wrker so they havnt fired me YET, thank god but i sell this fake weed ("herbal incense") all day long! i work right across the street from a army base an the soldiers are eatin this shit up! but out of what ive tried, we sell this "k2 summit" an it is very potent an has made few get nautous and dizzy. but thats only if you smk too much i smkd a blunt an got sooo high! the feeling of this compared to weed is sooo similar (if smkd in moderation) it is great, i would recomend it to anyone! an we also sell this "herbal incense" called gonjah made by smoke clear its ok not near as strong as k2 but lastes up to 8 hrs. it comes in many flavors but alot of our customers dont like it compared to the k2. but i hope this helps anyone who cant smk weed legally........ but id like to see if they have the jwh-018 cemical that was mentioned in your "spice" artical. thank you an i hear by 2010 ky is holding a vote to make medicinal marijuana legal ??? i hope so an i'll b in line to vote YES lol
there's nothing as sweet as
there's nothing as sweet as sensi...it has always been the 'natural' way to go...i wouldnt smoke any substitutes!
i bet you would smoke it if
i bet you would smoke it if you were on felony probation and u coulndt smoke weed
there's noting as sweet as...
I agree. But some people can't smoke sensi and not go to jail, so the substitutes are the only option. And I'm sure if faced with that, you'd be substituting and staying trashed.
I have just resently got
I have just resently got arrested for possesion 2 weeks ago and have already had an offence on my record. So all of these people talking about just smoke the real thing have never been in a spot where they can't smoke at all. And I have not smoked for 2 weeks and it really really sucks. So you have to understand when you hear about some stuff that is 4-5 times more potent than THC and dosnt show up then you are so happy! I plan on getting this JWH-018 straight and adding more to some k2 or spice as soon as I can get my hands on some!
Someone is wrong somewhere
Someone is wrong somewhere in this article.
If you browse reviews for the spice product, I haven't found one yet that claims it is more powerful than pot. Quite the opposite reviews actually.
If health officials are claiming it 4x stronger, and the users say it sucks by comparison... don't you think someone ought to be corrected?
Spice products
I am from Holland and i smoke pot for 25 years.
I can tell you that some of the spice products are defenitly stronger then pot and the high last at least 2 times longer!!
But i agree on one thing , I do prefer a good old weed !!
Because the spice gives you a big hangover and headache the next day !
cheers!!
I smoke this stuff because
I smoke this stuff because it replicates real weed and I have to piss in a cup for work. It doesn't show up on drug tests. I can tell you that It's actually stronger than reg and just as strong (if not stronger) as top quality KB. Only draw back is you build up a tolerance fast if you smoke it all the time, unlike good weed. It tasts like crap if you get the wrong one though.
listen... theyre saying its
listen... theyre saying its stronger because they can make it stronger if then want to. they can control how much of jwh-018 they put in. so they can LOAD it on you and get you half-retarded or they can give u the bearable amount.
I smoked Ocean Breeze just a
I smoked Ocean Breeze just a few days ago...and hell yea it was stronger than pot. That shit scared the shit out of me, made me think I was going to have a heart attack. I could feel my body going WOA I am out of control here, this shit is to much. Then they go and tell me to try "SPICE" because it's even stronger than Ocean Breeze! If Spice is stonger than Ocean Breeze than you bet your ass it's stronger than weed.
ocean breeze sux
ocean breeze sux puff is the stuff u need fuck the rest puffs yhe best.
Puff is FAR from the stuff..
Puff is FAR from the stuff.. When Puff first originally came out it was wonderful.. Quality went down horribly.. You can smoke pure damiana and you get a better high. Puff isn't the stuff.. Try another brand. They continually keep on changing the formula so MS Police who is gunning for them wont catch a clue. Now. Tell the truth..
I can't find "Puff" but I
I can't find "Puff" but I can find the ocean or bay "breeze" almost all the time and have to say it works pretty good and also have to say it is the best out of a lot of diffrent blends in the market that I have tried. 1 complaint I do have is the price of the products but some do work and you don't have to worry about a test and loosing your job, atleast intill the Government starts testing.
ocean breeze
Can you please get back to me and let me know where you buy the ocean breeze from
Herbal Alternatives sells Ocean breeze, it sucks there.
Try Chillin' Blueberry flavored at Ya-Ya's on E. Pass Rd.
I have never seen this stuff
I have never seen this stuff before so I looked at buying some to try. I was shocked to find that it cost just as much as the real thing. Given it's high price I'll stick to the real deal.
No its actually much
No its actually much cheaper. 1g of JWH18 is $100, thats like getting Pure 5xTHC. So if your bud is 15%THC by volume(which is dank)it would only have to be 3% JWH18 to be as effective.
So at 3% by volume a Gram of JWH18 can be spread out over 33grams of whatever it is you want to smoke, at least.
Do anyone know how it looks
Do anyone know how it looks like? tast and color and texture. is it white powder?
Purity
The purest I've seen is a pale yellow powder. Some red rocky shit was the purest available until recently.
JWH18
You can buy JWH-18 at www.herbavigor.com and yes it is a white powder.
That's the shittiest website
That's the shittiest website Ive ever seen. Whoever made it should have their nipples ripped off.
white powder!!!!!!!
the jwh looks like coke... smoke to much it will make u trip the fuck out... smoke less than 0.1 ull be fine..
I'm very tired of smoking
I'm very tired of smoking this harsh inscense. I totally agree that it's no different than smoking dandilions with pot resin (if you smoke too much then more like pine needles...), H-A-R-S-H. I tried vaporizing with the V-Tower Extreme but that's just not going to cut it, I've only found one blend (Yucatan Fire) that actually vaps but YF is really not that great.
So, (I know, clueless) how does one ingest JWH-18 in powder form? The previous post mentions smoking it, but in what manner? Wouldn't it fall through a screen? I suppose one could snort it, has anyone tried this?
SWIM said that while it is
SWIM said that while it is harsher to smoke it yields a stronger effect than most qualities of mj (with only grade A dank being better). The taste is tolerable. It is harsher to smoke but requires less hits. Eating a whole tub of icecream when high? Hate feeling like everybody around you is an undercover cop when you get super high? This will not give you those effects. Just because something is synthetic means absolutely nothing as far as its quality. Nature can be just as toxic as any man made chemical.
In this same article you hear "The effects are very similar to THC" multiple times. Then at the end you hear "It is probably only good for getting high". Reading between these lines reveals quite the contradiction. If you can't see this for the propaganda it is then you are blind.
Spice and more...
The "Spice" line of herbal incense products and all those that came after it, Pep Spice, Fire n Ice, Pulse, Spark 20 & 30, etc. are all great herbal incense alternatives if you CAN'T partake of the illegal stuff. All vary in length and strength of the effects, but if you read the reviews throughout the web they all do work.
I bought several off http://www.legalherbsdirect.com as I am in the military and can't do what the rest of you free citizens can do. Pep Spice is probably my favorite, but Fire n Ice is a close second. They are a little harsh, but the effects are definitely noticable.
Most Synthetics Are No Worse Than Cannabis
there is nothing wrong with synthetic cannabinoids. it doesn't make sense to me why some people favor naturally biosynthesized chemicals over chemicals synthesized by people. some of the synthetics may be stronger but so what? there is obvious medical benefits that come with the synthetic cannabinoids just as there a benefits with synthetic THC (dronabinol) and the synthetic nabilone (brand name Cesamet). hopefully these will stay legal as most of them are probably no more harmful than regular THC, so they pose no harm and are not physically addictive. as a pain patient and someone with anxiety and depression issues who has experienced some of the JWH and CP synthetics I can attest to the medicinal properties of them. unfortunately current laws regarding substances that are meant for human ingestion are so meddling and draconian that it hurts consumers. I hope people use these responsibly medically and recreationally. we don't need any more anti-drug hysteria.
JWH-18
Sorry bro, but what I got at herbavigor.com was white. and I am a seasoned pot smoker and it got me higher than regular weed. I haven't had the "laughs" from pot for years. But about 25 mg of JWH from there made me laugh like as if I were crazy. That only happened the first few times on weed then it never happened for about 22 years. But it happened again with JWH-18.
Herbavigor has another new cannibinoid which is supposedly even more potent than JWH-18. I still suggest that you try the JWH-18 first. And let's see if you think that it is something "less" than weed; you'll find out it is better.
JWH-18
Keep in mind guys, JWH-18 is NOT spice. It might be an ingredient in spice, but it is NOT spice. Spice contains Damiana and other herbs which I personally would not smoke. It is like smoking dandilions with pot resin. Yuck! it might get you high, but I prefer the real stuff. Give me pure JWH-18, I don't need anything else.
medicinal properties
Actually the pure stuff (JWH) seems to be a great pain reliever. Better than pot. I know, I had a very bad experience that almost left me dead. I smoked high quantities of it while I was recovering and it was much better than any drug I could buy at the pharmacy. I could sleep and it controlled the nausea much better than weed, and it didn't make me cough. It smells sweet and synthetic, but definitely with the "cannibinoid" smell also. I love the smell just like good potent weed. --although they are quite distinct.
its the greatest thing
I have had a headache for 3yrs now . my dr has put me on all kinds of meds.they have put me on everthing all the headache meds availble by prescription plus things like zoloft,valium,buspar,betablockers and meds for seizures which is suppose to help headaches....it never stopped. I would get them so bad i could not figure out where i was because it hurt so bad.I could not even drive.I use to smoke pot but drug testing at my work tok it away.I still would smoke from time to time taking my chances because it did help my headache and gave a bit of relief.I found a smoke accidently from a friend that was legal and i tryed it.I notice my headache left me for a night.I bought some of the spice myself and started smoking it.To my surprise my headache left.I done some reserch and found it contained a drug called jwh-18 but no medical studies on it.I have smoked it now for 4 months and i have not even took anything for a headache since . not even a asprine.Im not trying to make excusses to use it because i very much like the high also and would still smoke it even if i still had a headache but i dont and i am greatful for it .Thank god people are always looking for an alternitive high or i would have never tryed it.
It's simply absurd that you
It's simply absurd that you would think JWH-anything "smells like a cannabinoid."
The JWH compounds are not cannabinoids. They are "cannabinoid receptor agonists" meaning they tickle some neruoreceptors in the same way that cannabinoids do. They have no meaningful resemblance to cannabis beyond this.
The "chemical smell" people associate with JWH-018 is the naphtha base - essentially the same as mothballs - naphthalene.
Now, whatever positive benefits are attributable to cannabis and its triggering of the CB1/CB2 receptors will most likely apply to JWH018 as well. Any other properties that cannabis has will probably not apply..in much the same way that -018 won't trigger a drug test. It's not THC, therefore it does not produce the same metabolites that THC does, which is what the drug test is looking for.
It is also entirely possible that -018 might have effects (either positive or negative) that THC/weed doesn't have...again, because they're completely different chemicals.
As an analogy...suppose you really like red cars. As long as you see a red car, you're happy. You might say "red" and "car" combine to trip your happiness receptors. Whether you see a red Ferrari in peak condition or a non-operational red '70s Ford Pinto doesn't matter to your happiness..so long as it's a red car. Aside from the similarity of making you happy...they don't have much in common. And thus is the case with -018 vs cannabis.
red cars
JWH-018 good, master. Make heap plenty good smokums cheap and cut out the rip off skunk sharks with their crazy racket £10 p.g. price fix.
serenity now
shit works, i smoke serenity now every day for past year because you dont fail a drug test and i get higher than weed but the high doesnt last long, some people who are not used to smoking pot and try serenity for thier first time they can freak out, but its kinda addictive but if can switch back to pot you would rather have pot than serenity, pots a more enjoyable high but spice is more intense, there completely different highs though
PUFF ULTRA STRONG
Yea serenity is ok but puff will knock your socks off,anybody know how to get it online because where i am stationed now the stores dont have it yet
Puff is no longer "THE STUFF"
You can buy it online here at legalherbsdirect.com Althought I wouldn't suggest you waste your money on it.. REDXDAWN has a new version that actually gets you where you want to be. As so stated in a prior reply PUFF used to be the stuff, but the creator changed the formula around. So it sucks now. 120 bucks later and it's still yet to go back to being
THE STUFF.
Serenity NOW
Wha is the long term affect in the Serenity Now? this shit is Bad to the bone, nice to know that i can pass a piss test everytime i go offshore to work....
Serenity Now
Serenity Now is plenty enough for me, and just wan to know what the Fuck is this shit going to do us in 10 yrs from now:
Damiana, Mugwort, Lion's Tail, Blue Lotus, Red Clover, Scullcap, Siberian Motherwort, and/or Almond, Molasses, Honey Vanilla.
Serenity Now
I've smoked Serenity. I was kinda buzzed whenever I asked my seller what the hell was in it, but that looks about right.. All I remember her saying was Lion's tail and blue lotus..
So, yeah.. I went bat shit crazy when I smoked it. My friend said it was because I was drunk AND smoking, but I don't know. Shit was moving. Blurry eyesight. Laughing all over the place. Felt light as a feather. THIRSTY AS HELL!!! I was freaking panting like I was dying for 3 minutes and he kept threatening to call the ambulance, lol. I hadn't even breathed that hard when I had asthma attacks. I think I panicked because everything was moving. Don't get me wrong, it wasn't a bad experience. I'm definitely going to do it again.
I have never, ever felt that way whenever I weed+alcohol. N-e-v-e-r. And if this gets the job done without the failure of my job tests, I'm game.
Serenity Now
You are exactly correct about that Serenity incense. Myself,I have been buying incense for about 1 1/2 yrs now and I find that mojo has more knock down, what do you think? Mysterious not too bad either...but my favorite is blending the spice and herbs of serenity and mojo for my newest name: ChickenFlip....or atleast I thought so when I mixed the two. I prefer with Water versus air because it brings the FIRE..now come back to earth as I blow the wind!! Take these five elements and the incense will bring you back to me while I leave you behind and you blow ur mind. HOLLA when you catch me???? Oh, and Myley Cirus, holla at me when ya 18...
lsd
lsd is good for a lot more than just getting you high.
this just goes to show the
this just goes to show the extent that people will go to, to surpass the law and get a legal high. This JWH-018 compound sounds extremely dangerous and the only reason why this was invented is because people are sick of weed being illegal. if weed was legal you could buy it in a store and hope that the FDA was making sure that no one slipped any coke or other substance into the mix like you would have to worry about with a dealer. but i'm afraid if weed became legal that corporations would start putting addictive chemicals in it in order to guarantee returning customers. therefore i think weed should stay illegal so that in 50 years from legalization there wont be thc patches for sale to help get you off the grass.
JWH-018 and Herbal Incense observations
It appears from what research I have done that several herbal incense products have used JWH in some form or another to "lace" a mixture of herbs. It also appears that the JWH is what is getting you high, not the herbs. It appears that the herbal incense manufacturers hang around for a while but then thier product deteriorates in quality/potency.
There is too much mystery and not enough hard facts to figure out how the JWH is produced (it is supposed to be very easy to make) and possibly the greatestt danger of the JWH comes from the refining process (contaminants) so it is critical that the process be professionally managed by reputable suppliers.
Currenlty Serenity Now seems to be holding the top dog spot. For how long, who knows. At the best non-bulk price I have seen of about $20 per gram, it is quite expensive and I must assume highly profitable so I expect new products to continuously appear.
By taking a look at the wikipedia info on JWH-018 and the other similar chemicals you can see that there are several levels of potency with HU-210 being 100 to 800 times more powerful than THC. Now that is something to be concerned about. Especially considering that the actual amount of psychactive ingredient is not disclosed or apparently properly controlled.
Yet, it appears that for now, the substance is legal. Gee, you can buy the junk on eBay and now the folks that make it www.nolacounterculture.com is battling a knock-off version called Serenity Plus which claims to be stronger. It also appears the FDA, DEA and other government watch dogs are aware of the stuff and probably taking moves to suppress or control the substance.
And, I must add that from experience, I know the stuff will get you a very similar high to weed. Sometimes higher depending on the quality of the weed. I spent time in Panama in the 70s so I know good weed.
My biggest concern so far is that the manufacturing process is totally uncontrolled and because all of them have the disclaimer that it is not for human consumption, they can get away with this. Because it does get you high and because you can use it without failing a pee test it is going to stay popular until something changes regarding the weed laws.
I know, I'm rambling but these details are the collection of thoughts I have accumulated based on the research, I have done so far so I will contiunue.
One other tidbit to mention. The web sites and business information are very secretive regarding these incense products. If you do a whois on most of the sites, such as nolacounterculture.com, you get essentially nothing trackable. In fact, the domain name was just registered as of 10/13/09 so it is very new. I'm going to have to assume the motivation is to hide from the public and possibly the government? This is also a bad sign for a legitimate, responsible business.
So, with all this smoke and mirrors, the general misleading of the public regarding "actual" content and trackable business contact as well as "secret processes" for manufacture, I have to conclude these are dangerous signs.
From all of these I see two reasonable recourses for the general consumer.
One, find out as much as you can about the JWH product. If you can make it, how? Is it bad for you, how? Might as welll turn this into a DIY project rather than get ripped off at $20 a gram and mix it with whatever smoke you like.
Two, legalize pot and make this whole mess a non-issue. Not enough space left to get on the bandwagon of why pot should be legal but to say, come on America, by now most of you in your 50s smoked the stuff and probably still would if you could get your hands on it. You don't need to do more research (we have statistics and data out the ying-yang.) How smart is it to leave alcohol legal and make pot illegal? From a financial perspective there is gold in them thar weeds. The price structure is already established and the profit/tax income potential is tremendous. The market is well established and the potential danger is minimal. We are making criminals/ruining the lives of people that are doing little more than using a substance no more dangerous than alcohol and we keep fighting the new arrivals that skirt under the law by coming out with similar substances that are potentially more dangerous. The insanity of our actions is that we keep doing the same things, expecting a different outcome.
It's time we made weed leagal, all take a toke and laugh about how stupid we were.
JWH-018 NOT SPICE
I HAVE PERSONALY TRIED JWH-018 IN THE PURE WHITE POWDER AND IT IS BY FAR THE MOST INTENCE HIGH I HAVE EVER GOTTEN. I HAVE MADE IT INTO LIQUID DROPS AND LACED CIGARETS... (ABOUT 8 DROPS WILL DO) WITH IT AND I AM GOING TO APPLY IT TO SKIN PATCHES AND TRY THE STUFF THEN. I HAVE ALSO SMOKED IT RITE OUT OF AN OIL INHALER IT TAKES ALOT OF HEAT BUT I HAVE LEARNED IF YOU TAKE TO BIG OF A HIT YOU WILL TRIP OUT BUT I HAVE NOT HAD ANY SERIOUS HEALTH EFFECTS BUT 2 OF MY FRIENDS WENT TO THE HOSPITAL AND THEY WERE BOTH RELEASED WITHEN 24 HOURS AKA.ONCE THEY CAME DOWN... IN MY PERSONAL OPINYON JWH-018 IS FAR BETTER THAN THC... I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT ANY SPICE PRODUCT I AM ONLY TALKING ABOUT THE PURE STUFF EVERYONE I HAVE GAVE IT TO HAD SOMETHING POSATIVE TO SAY ABOUT IT EVEN THE 2 THAT WENT TO HOSPITAL IT IS CHEEP GIVE IT A TRY DO NOT TAKE MORE THEN YOUR BODY CAN HANDLE AND I PROMISE YOU WILL LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!
lithium?
I heard lithium is put into Serenity Now. Is that true or just some BS?