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Hemp ethanol will only cost 15 cents per liter or 50 cents per gallon!

I was just watching Jodie and Marc walking through the hemp field and I thought it would be a good time to share my hemp ethanol research with y'all!

In this day of oil wars, peak oil (and the accompanying soaring prices), climate change and oil spills such as the Exxon-Valdez, it's more important than ever to promote sustainable alternatives such as hemp ethanol.

Hemp turns out to be the most cost-efficient and valuable of all the fuel crops!

And as it turns out, the whole reason for hemp prohibition - and alcohol prohibition - may have been a fuel monopoly!

So check out my hemp ethanol research ... and leave your comments here so I can find out what you think!

Here's the link:

http://hemp-ethanol.blogspot.com/

Comments

Hemp

Yeah, but can we smoke it? Just kidding, arent they all paranoid about that?
With BP out there causing a ton of damage it will be nice to see something balancing out the equation. Since the govt. is running out of oil they wont need to control it as much.

AFter 100 years of prohibtion still no one knows why?

WHY the hell HEMP/cannabis is illegal?

THIS IS WHY!!!!!

Anslinger And Mellon Connection

One man who first spread myths about marijuana was Harry J. Anslinger, who was appointed director of the Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs (predecessor of the Drug Enforcement Agency or DEA of today). He was a man who hated jazz music and tried to get jazz musicians herded into prison for smoking marijuana. Anslinger hated marijuana even more. At first, he declared marijuana caused users to go crazy and commit violent crime. As a result of his testimony, persons who used pot could use the insanity defense to get a lesser charge of murder. Later on, after doctors testified at a second hearing regarding marijuana, Anslinger recanted his earlier testimony, conceding that marijuana probably didn´t cause insanity or violent behavior, but added that it could lead to opi*m use.

This is how the gateway myth originated.

In 1931, Anslinger got his job at the Bureau of Narcotics at the recommendation of a man named Richard Mellon, who happened to be his wife's uncle. Mellon, also director of the Mellon Bank, was U.S. Secretary of the Treasury. Richard along with sister Sarah and brother R.K. inherited Mellon Financial Corporation from their father Thomas Mellon in 1902. Richard invested in major stock holdings such as Gulf Oil and Alcoa and associated with wealthy men such as William R. Hearst, Sr. and the DuPont brothers. Hearst owned a chain of newspapers across the U.S. as well as a large lumber company. The DuPont family had just patented a paper making process using wood pulp some years earlier. As well,they had a new invention, a kind of synthetic cotton called nylon.Unfortunately, the infant hemp industry seemed to threaten these rich men's monopoly in the pulp and paper industry. In fact, in 1937, Popular Science predicted that hemp would become a billion dollar industry. Dupont and Hearst (friends and business companions) feared this of course with hemp being able to accomplish much more than paper and paint. Since then, marijuana has endured a smear campaign originally instigated by Hearst's newspapers and imitated by other newspaper chains around the world.

After hemp was banned in 1938, DuPont came out with nylon. It licensed out the paper making process to Hearst so that wood-pulp could be easily made into cheap paper. Meanwhile, the anti-pot propaganda demonized marijuana whilst the alcohol and tobacco companies enjoyed wide advertising in the newspapers and on TV, especially in the post-war boom that followed the war. Today, both alcohol and tobacco consumption is dropping, due to education about the dangers of their use. Marijuana consumption peaked about twelve years ago, but is now on the rise, especially among today's youth. This is in spite of anti-pot propaganda. New studies have completely overturned the gateway myth surrounding marijuana and indicate that marijuana is far less harmful than alcohol or cigarettes.

A possible reason why the U.S. seeks to control international drug policy may have to do with the economic potential cannabis hemp represents. A single nation with the right tools and the land can grow hemp and supply raw material for paper making and textiles, as well as replacements and substitutes for petrochemicals. Economic sustainability is possible with hemp more so than with trees. Hemp produces 4.3 times more pulp fiber per hectare. Hemp paper products can be recycled seven times while paper made from wood-pulp can only be recycled three times. Hemp seed protein is very nutritious. Fiberboard made from hemp fiber is stronger than that made from wood-chips. Thus, a cannabis hemp industry can revitalize any country that starts one up, if the capital is

Jazz musicians/Thelonius Monk

I went to school with Thelonius Monk JR. whose father was thrown in jail on a phony heroin charge and died in jail.
Drug laws are all racially based. The Dagga trade in South Africa, home of Durban Poison sativa, was outlawed by the crooks at the U.N.
Criminal organizations and governments always work together.
The Green Party in China helped with the overtaking of Shanghai by (Chunk I Chek), I know the spelling is wrong so I went for the comedy of misspelled words. But you get my drift.
The "Real Mezz" is slang for excellent cannabis named after Mezz Mezzero(sp). Attica prison riot a direct of prison overcrowding of "young male blacks jailed on MINOR maijuana offenses". Direct quote from head of prison guards at Attica.

Harry Anslinger sucks ass!

Ya, I've read a little 'bout old shitslinger and he thought jazz was evil. I think the only reason he didnt like it was because at the time it was mostly black people making jazz music. I bet he would love a bit of jazz compared to todays hip hop! ha ha ha that would have killed the bastard. but that jerk! it was 'cause of him that they siezed all the wild ganja and you cant go ganja picking no more. but if it wasn't him it would be some other "god fearing" dick!

HEMP for fuel

Decriminalize and tax; Then release Memory and his spouse+ friends......Peace Out......

Decriminalization is worse than no change at all.

We want to legalize and regulate - not decriminalize ... decriminalization could mean fines and jail for unpaid fines and treatment for repeat offenders and mandatory minimums for growers - it's even "decrim" in Singapore for under 500 grams (two years of slave labor, piss tests and group therapy ... but you're not considered a "criminal") ... and over 500 grams and it's the death penalty.

Decrim is a step in the WRONG direction.

Stay tuned for my upcoming article on decrim: "Decrim Myths, Decrim Facts".

Only on Cannabis Culture Online - as high as you can get from the net.

Depends on the law

Decrim would be worse if it works out like 1000 dollar fine per gram of weed.

or decrim could be better like you can grow 5 plants and posses 10 pounds of weed any more then you are fined.

It all depends on what the decrim law will say.

And how many versions of "decrim" are like that?

"...or decrim could be better like you can grow 5 plants and posses 10 pounds of weed any more then you are fined."

There is only one example of decrim that is similar to what you describe, as far as I can see.

In Boston you don't get punished for unpaid fines.

Every other version of decrim - Singapore, Australia, Brazil, Mexico, Portugal, and all over the USA, there are penalties for unpaid fines and repeat offenses such as forced treatment and piss tests for SIX YEARS, group "therapy", community service, garnishing of wages, revoking of drivers licenses and confiscation of property.

And even the Boston version of decrim just delays our equality and dignity indefinitely. Fuk decrim.

If you wish to learn more, my new article for CC - "Decrim Myths, Decrim Facts", will be published soon. Watch for it.

You know what your talkin'

You know what your talkin' about David. I wish there was a lot more cats like you.

better as oilseed crop

Better to grow hemp as an oilseed crop. Diesel engines work fine on it, as-is, or cut with other fuels as thinners. Easier harvest and extraction. Ethanol is corrosive and not very energy-dense. Farmers should grow their own fuel for use in their eqpt, and hemp is ideal for that.

Please click on the link and read the research!

The following two questions (and probably most questions) are answered in the link to my research that I provided in my blog:

http://hemp-ethanol.blogspot.com/

"How does making ethanol from hemp compare to making it from corn? As I understand it, the process of making ethanol requires more energy than what you get from the ethanol when it's burned. And what about using hemp oil directly as biodiesel? Is that a viable alternative that uses even less energy for processing?"

"Better to grow hemp as an oilseed crop. Diesel engines work fine on it, as-is, or cut with other fuels as thinners. Easier harvest and extraction. Ethanol is corrosive and not very energy-dense. Farmers should grow their own fuel for use in their eqpt, and hemp is ideal for that."

The experts:

I decided to investigate these arguments against biofuels and hemp fuels by bouncing them off people doing research in this area. I spoke with Adrian Francis Clarke of Fibre (Europe) Laboratory LTD, Don Wirtshafter of the Ohio Hempery, Tim Castleman of fuelandfiber.com, and Shaun Crew of Hemp Oil Canada.

It is important to understand that hemp provides two types of fuel; hemp biodiesel – made from the oil of the hemp seed, and hemp ethanol/methanol – made from the fermented stalk. To clarify further, ethanol is made from such things as grains, sugars, starches, waste paper & forest products, and methanol is made from woody matter. Through processes such as gasification, acid hydrolysis and enzymes, hemp can be used to make both ethanol and methanol.

I asked questions about the current prices of hemp biodeisel and hemp ethanol/methanol, and what these prices would be post cannabis relegalization. To be economically viable, these fuels would have to be cheaper than gasoline, currently priced at up to 120 cents per liter (Can.) (7) or up to 3 dollars per gallon (US) (8) Of course, petroleum prices could get much more expensive in the near future, a topic which will be covered in the third part of this article under “peak oil”.

Don Wirtshafter responded that the size of the industrial hemp industry determined how much hemp “waste” would be created, which would then dictate the price of hemp fuel. He wrote:

“Hemp oil is too valuable to burn up as fuel. It will be the waste products that become the fuels of the future. ... Because we sell the protein for a good price, the price of hemp oil drops. When I was selling the seed cake to make Hempen Ale, making the oil was almost free. Again, it is the waste stream from your primary processes that will go into power generation.”

When I asked Don about the actual price of hemp biodiesel, he replied:

“Twenty cents per gallon more than the cost of hemp oil. At this point, hemp seed oil is $15 per gallon. As we gain volume, our costs and therefore the price is dropping. Until hemp is a huge industry, it can't compete with the other huge industries. If the hemp protein powder continues to sell well, then the oil will continue to get cheaper and cheaper.”

On the topic of hemp ethanol/methanol, Don opined:

“The big change will come with green processing as is being developed by Adrian Clarke in Australia. This machine will change all the equations for fiber as did the cotton gin 150 years ago. The waste from that process will be the energy source.”

When I asked Adrian Clarke about the price of hemp ethanol/methanol, he replied:
“I cannot supply even a guess for the cost except to say that it must be simple and low cost for so many farmers to have done it. Ask a legal distiller what it would cost.”
Distillers of things-other-than-hemp provided a variety of possible prices: According to one source, Brazilian ethanol recently sold “for 45% less per liter than gasoline”. (9) According to another source, “...the cost of producing ethanol from cellulose is estimated to be between $1.15 and $1.43 per gallon in 1998 dollars”. (10) Back in 1981, a Canadian “fuel alcohol distiller” activist estimated his actual cost to be “22.9 cents a gallon” (11) which would be about 49.37 cents per gallon in today's dollars! (12)

Shaun Crew is a hemp seed oil expert. I asked him the hemp biodiesel question and he answered: “the price of hemp seed oil is higher than the price of corn oil at present. This may change in the years to come as acres significantly increase or yields significantly increase. Right now, hemp biodiesel could not be easily made for under $2.50 per litre.”

In Tim Castleman's article "Hemp Biomass For Energy", he wrote his observations about biodiesel too, explaining that "Some varieties are reported to yield as much as 38% oil, and a record 2,000 lbs. per acre was recorded in 1999. At this rate, 760 lbs. of oil per acre would result in about 100 allons of oil, with production costs totaling about $5.20 per gallon.(13) I asked Tim if there were any other factors that could further reduce the price per gallon. He replied: Hempseed oil is worth $30 per gallon as food. ... hemp (biodiesel) doesn't make the lineup for fuel.”

Hemp methanol, on the other hand, does make the fuel lineup. According to Tim, hemp ethanol could be produced for 1.37 per gallon plus the cost of the feedstock, with technological improvements and tax credits reducing the price another dollar or so per gallon! (14) And the cost of the feedstock would become much more available as more hemp was grown for more products, providing more and more free (or nearly-free) feedstock as a “waste product”. Could you imagine paying under 50 cents per gallon (US) or 15 cents per liter (CAN) for your hemp ethanol?!!

Fuel efficiency:

Some might argue that ethanol isn't as fuel efficient as gas – thus the dollar-per-mile ratio of hemp ethanol would make it more expensive than gas to run. Ethanol contains approx. 34% less energy per gallon than gasoline, and therefore will result in a 34% reduction in miles per gallon. (15) This problem may be overcome through designing a more efficient vehicle – recently, French High School students achieved the best fuel efficiency at the European Shell Eco-marathon, using an ethanol-powered car with an energy consumption equivalent to traveling 2,885 kilometers on a single liter of gasoline (6,788 mpg). (16) Other technologies are being developed to make ethanol similar to gasoline in fuel efficiency. (17)

Availability of waste-hemp and over-regulation Is there enough hemp around right now to provide enough waste/feedstock to replace fossil fuels? No. Will this always be the case? That depends on how successful the medical and recreational cannabis activists are in removing irrational laws around this plant. Currently, the Canadian hemp economy is under “tight controls”. (18) A minimum of 10 acres must be grown. (19) The hemp must test below 0.3% in THC. (20) The strain must be “approved”. (21) Hundreds of potentially profitable industrial strains are denied to farmers. (22) The US won't approve importing Canadian hemp products if they contain even trace amounts of THC (23) Hemp seed must be rendered non-viable and tested for viability. (24) Those with criminal records for cannabis farming are not allowed to grow hemp. (25)

Breeders licenses – permitting access to the most economically rewarding element of industrial hemp farming - are difficult to obtain. One needs a science degree and 10 years experience working under an accredited breeder. (26)

When I asked Arthur Hanks of the Canadian Hemp Trade Alliance why this was so, he responded that “Certified seed is supposed to deliver known quantity. For a lot of buyers this is very important. Using common seed might be a false savings.”

“Can you provide me with an example of a false savings?” I asked.

“Well, there was that problem with USO 14 ...” Arthur responded. “... breeders were not crossing it back with it's parents.”

“But that's a fuck-up by accredited breeders.” I replied, “So certified seed doesn't necessarily mean fuck-up free seed.”

“Good point.” Responded Arthur. “It's also true that cheap common seed will help make biomass hemp fuel more economically viable.”

“Do you think that the seed growers association may be acting like an elitist club that – like doctors and lawyers – is concerned more with controlling an industry than helping clients?”

“There may be some of that in there ...”

At that point, I felt I hit upon the way the hemp industry was most unjustly over-regulated – through artificially high seed prices. Farmers cannot supply themselves with seed – they have to obtain it every year through government approved breeders. Seed is the farmer's biggest cost, varying between $6,250.00 to $16,875.00 for the average hemp farm (250 acres). For the largest hemp (3000 acres), seed costs can run into the hundreds of thousands of dollars!

Canadian hemp farmers spent somewhere between $1,250, 000 to $3,375,000.00 on seeds in 2006 (27) – an unnecessary cost ... more than a down-payment on a large hemp fuel manufacturing plant. The estimated cost of such a plant rages from $60 million for a plant that can produce 75 million liters per year (28), to $335 million, producing 1.7 billion liters per year. (29)
Banks don't invest money in hemp processing and manufacturing (30) – perhaps partly due to the red tape making hemp so artificially expensive, perhaps partly due to most of their current customers being hemp-substitute industries.

The red tape can only be justified if cannabis is considered dangerous - the moment medicinal and social hemp are re-legalized and treated like other herbs, the industrial hemp red tape will disappear. No doubt this will result in an increase in hemp seed breeders – all those considered “criminal” due to their history with breeding the drug strains will get a crack at breeding the hemp strains. Seed quality will then increase, the price will drop, and more money will stay in the pockets of farmers breeding their own seeds. Hemp products will become cheaper and more available. Farmers and cannabis cafe owners will both have capital to invest. At that point, the industrial hemp industry will be free to grow large and compete with non-renewable materials on an even playing field.

According to the 1938 Popular Mechanics article, hemp hurds “can be used to produce more than 25,000 products, ranging from dynamite to Cellophane”. That's just the hurds. When you factor in the fiber, the oil and the resin, the number of products hemp can produce is closer to 50,000. Almost everything that isn't glass or metal - including paper, pressed particle board, fabrics, plastics and concrete - can be made from hemp. (31) With a massive manufacturing base to reflect its massive utility, there will be plenty of hemp waste to make fuel from, driving the price down considerably.

The evil Dr. Pimental:

If the above-mentioned sources say hemp ethanol and non-hemp ethanol are so affordable, then why do so many sources claim otherwise? Apparently, the source for this other view comes from a single report from Dr. David Pimentel of Cornell University. He claims that bioethanol has a “negative net energy value”. It turns out that this is a well-publicized myth. In fact, Pimental's findings are flawed and disproved by other studies. (32)

The best fuel crop?

As for the argument that hemp is not an exceptional source of cellulose, it's important to keep in mind that hemp:

1) doesn't need as much fertilizer or water as corn, switchgrass or other energy crops (33)

2) doesn't require the expensive drying required of corn and sugar cane (34),

3) can be grown where other energy crops can't (35)

4) is more resistant to “adverse fall weather” than other crops (36) and

5) has long been known to be the lowest-moisture highest-cellulose crop.

The hemp stalks being “over 75% cellulose” according to a 1929 paper from Schafer and Simmonds (37), with more conservative estimates indicating 53-74% of the bark being cellulose. (38) According to the Stanford Research Institute and the Hawaii Natural Energy Institute, it is woody, low-moisture herbaceous plants which make the best biomass for liquid fuels. (39) If one goes beyond simple cellulose-level comparisons and examines the cost-per-gallon with these extra cultivation and processing and transportation costs taken into account, hemp seems to be the best candidate for a fuel crop. Of course, all crops should be grown in rotation – too much of one thing is bad for the soil – but hemp seems the best crop to add to the rotation if we want to replace fossil fuels with something else in the tank.

http://hemp-ethanol.blogspot.com/2008/01/economics-history-and-politics-...

That is a lot of amazing

That is a lot of amazing info and thanks for that David.
I have to say though that I would rather not use land competitively with our food crops and if were going to grow lets do it for the other purposes, Medicine, wood etc.. I've researched as well and I agree with everything you say.
Algae would be the better choice though now that it can be grown in a closed environment and putting out minimal 30000 g/acre per year.

http://www.boreme.com/boreme/funny-2008/vertical-algae-biofuel-p1.php

I am saddened I didn't buy any stock a few days ago it was .50 now it's $1.50.

Hemp can also be grown "dual use"

"I have to say though that I would rather not use land competitively with our food crops..."

You can also grow hemp for food and use the stalk as fuel - you can get both from one crop!

Please click through and read my article - it has a section called "Not enough land?" that addresses that issue.

I still would rather using

I still would rather using the stalk for wood replacement instead..
Seems logical to me anyway...Algae surpasses Hemp for fuel purposes, even it's lipids are %50 whereas Hemp is what %25?

Diesel's better isn't it?
I mean compared to Gasoline..

Anyway Cars can still drive with gasoline eventually they will be changed..

Your logical arguments seem very weak. Almost like theirs no way something could be better then Hemp..

They were testing jet planes with an algae diesel mixture on jet planes back in January.

You don't understand the dif between diesel and ethanol, do you?

"I still would rather using the stalk for wood replacement instead.."

Why not use hemp for both? Show me the video of the pond.

"Seems logical to me anyway...Algae surpasses Hemp for fuel purposes, even it's lipids are %50 whereas Hemp is what %25?"

Lipids are oil ... diesel. Algae diesel may be better than hemp diesel.

I don't advocate hemp diesel ... I advocate hemp ethanol. Hemp diesel is made from the seed. Hemp ethanol is made from the stalk. If you bothered to read my article carefully you would know I have dismissed hemp diesel as uneconomical. Diesel is worse than hemp ethanol if you take global warming and oil wars and pollution seriously and you want to switch over to a sustainable energy system in one or two years instead of 20 or 30 or 40 years.

Nope sorry fro even the

Nope sorry fro even the little I read in your blog I'm led to believe that to use stalks it's even less productive should you use the seeds.
I still believe that the Stalks should be used like wood from trees and use the Algae for Fuel..
Sorry I did check and even your blog says to go to stalks it would cost $0.20 more than seed production.
I really don't think your best assumption is right David, sorry I guess I still disagree.
Maybe if I run into some new info I'll think it over again until then I have to stick with what I believe.

Quote me.

"Sorry I did check and even your blog says to go to stalks it would cost $0.20 more than seed production."

The best price per gallon from hemp seeds for hemp diesel was $2.50 per gallon ... the best price from hemp stalk for hemp ethanol was .50 cents per gallon. Show me where I say otherwise.

Nobody video tapes their

Nobody video tapes their pond they video tape the conversion in their garages with the product scooped from the ponds.

So the ponds need the plastic bags, eh?

"Nobody video tapes their pond they video tape the conversion in their garages with the product scooped from the ponds."

So you need the plastic bags for the system to work.

You still have not answered these questions:

1) How many bags will you need to replace all the gasoline used in North America? Is it millions or billions?

2) How long do the bags last before they need to be replaced?

3) What are the environmental costs of waiting around for the gasoline engines in all the cars to wear out vs. adjusting them right away to use hemp ethanol?

Until you answer these questions, algae will continue to be a less economical and ecological choice than hemp ethanol.

You're right I am comparing wrong

You're right I didn't realize that I was comparing apples to oranges..I'm going to do some research on the ethanol part... I have been comparing the Oil..

You're going in circles

You're going in circles asking me to bring you proof yet you haven't shown me any proof.
Garbage bags, plastic bags, tomatoes, tomatoes.

They keep their cars because when it's all you have you hold onto it for dear life and I bet not one part in their cars is original.

I do read a lot and I'm sorry but this one we will have to agree to disagree becasue we are obviously going in circles.
Besides I'm only going on information out their and I'm still confused why so many people are giving different numbers on what these items produce.

I'm sure you can agree that Algae surpasses it's ability to make more Diesel by many times so how can you argue that Hemp is the best choice.
It just doesn't seem logical that hemp can only put out around 2000-3000 gal/acre per year and Algae on a pond can get up to 20000 gal/acre per year, why would we use hemp for this in particular when their is Obviously a better choice.

Where is your logic?

How about this, How about we use both to make both of us happy even though Algae is better. :) lol

I don't want to research anymore until I buy my acreage.
I'm only sharing knowledge that I found in my opinion a better choice and thought I'd share it but I can see your not even seeing my words. Your life is so engrossed with this fight for legalization that your closed now to anything negative against hemp.

I don't agree use both when we are raping our forests and you want to use the stalk for fuel wasting more precious land.. seems really wrong to me anyway.

You haven't showed me anything other than they use bags that might end up being recycled and vehicles that run on gas...

If the Government were to decide to switch to any other energy choice they would do it slowly and painless as can be done. Eventually they would weed it out and should someone still have Gas Engine I guess they could always use the hemp stalks eh?

Also where did you come to

Also where did you come to this conclusion?
Hemp ethanol will only cost 15 cents per liter or 50 cents per gallon!

I don't see how this math works considering Algae blows Cannabis away for comparison.

Hemp only produces about 2000 maybe up to 3000 gal acre/year
and Algae is at 20000 just outside on a pond, closed they're doing more than 30,000 Gal acre/year.
As you can see it's quite a difference so if your numbers are correct it would have to mean that Oilgae would be less then a penny per liter.

I could be wrong but I read a lot to find out.

Read the article to find out ...

"I don't see how this math works considering Algae blows Cannabis away for comparison."

It's in the article:

According to Tim, hemp ethanol could be produced for 1.37 per gallon plus the cost of the feedstock, with technological improvements and tax credits reducing the price another dollar or so per gallon! (14) And the cost of the feedstock would become much more available as more hemp was grown for more products, providing more and more free (or nearly-free) feedstock as a “waste product”. Could you imagine paying under 50 cents per gallon (US) or 15 cents per liter (CAN) for your hemp ethanol?!!

(14) CIFAR Conference XIV, "Cracking the Nut: Bioprocessing Lignocellulose to
Renewable Products and Energy", June 4, 2001
http://fuelandfiber.com/Hemp4NRG/Hemp4NRGRV3.htm

http://hemp-ethanol.blogspot.com/2008/01/economics-history-and-politics-...

Now look at the algae process:

http://www.kewego.com/video/iLyROoafM5hk.html

1) AGAIN, instead of acres and acres of hemp, you need miles and miles of plastic bags or pipes ... too much technology, not enough agriculture. The algae process creates too much waste and costs too much for infrastructure.

2) AGAIN, most engines run on gasoline, not diesel, therefore the replacement has to be something that can run in a gasoline engine - not a diesel engine.

Until you address points #1 and #2, this is going to be a boring, circular argument.

I'm confused, I have read

I'm confused, I have read that Hemp is the best compared to all others except Algae from the reading I've checked. I've checked your link and I still don't understand where these garbage bags play in.
Did you actually check out the site you sent me to?
Did you check out the site I sent you to?
I guess we would continue using both and slowly weed off the gasoline, very simple conclusion.
Cars do wear out, most have to be replaced withing 10-15 years so slowly remove the Gasoline usage.

I personally see the advantage of it, it surpasses hemp by 100 times the amount so why not learn this and have diesel running machines for inside grows. That's my purpose and that's why I studied this becasue I wanted to see how to get off the grid with multiple possibilities.
Even a 1 acre pond can have 10000 - 20000 gal/year.
Hemp only does 2000-3000 gal/year.
These people with the closed bio loop sounds like an incredible idea because they are doing 33000 gal/year right now.
Imagine growing your own on a pond that could take care of you and your families land needs, no problem.
I desperately want to see Hemp on the land but for other things like saving our trees.

I seen videos of people making home made separators i the garage with an old washing machine..
I didn't see any plastic garbage bags or any pipes.

"I'm confused, I have read

"I'm confused, I have read that Hemp is the best compared to all others except Algae from the reading I've checked. I've checked your link and I still don't understand where these garbage bags play in."

I wrote "plastic bags". You wrote "garbage bags".

"Cars do wear out, most have to be replaced withing 10-15 years so slowly remove the Gasoline usage."

1) Ever been to Cuba? There are cars from the 40's and 50's still running like new. Cars can last a long time if you take care of them.

2) It's too slow a process to wait until all the gas cars wear out. Hemp ethanol solves the problem with a minor adjustment to the engine rather than replacing the whole engine ... or the whole car.

"I personally see the advantage of it, it surpasses hemp by 100 times..."

Where did you get that stat? Are you comparing hemp DIESEL to algae diesel or hemp ETHANOL to algae diesel?

"... the amount so why not learn this and have diesel running machines for inside grows."

Because hemp ethanol is:

1) Cheaper (50 cents a gallon or less).

2) More abundant with less start-up costs.

3) Easier to change the gas engines (95% of all vehicles use gas) to hemp ethanol than to diesel.

"Even a 1 acre pond can have 10000 - 20000 gal/year."

They don't do it in ponds, they do it in bags. Show me the video of the pond.

"Hemp only does 2000-3000 gal/year."

Hemp diesel or hemp ethanol? Where are you getting your stats from?

"I desperately want to see Hemp on the land but for other things like saving our trees."

You can do BOTH with hemp ... without making all those clear bags and then having to throw all those bags out after they wear out.

"I didn't see any plastic garbage bags or any pipes."

YOU wrote "garbage bags" - I never mentioned them.

The video I provided showed clear pipes.

Algae leaves lots to be desired.

To grow enough oil with algae, you would have to create a mountain of plastic bags to grow the algae in.

Plus the fact that it could only be used in diesel engines - what are you going to do with all those gasoline engines?

Hemp ethanol: no plastic bags and can be used in regular engines with minor adjustments.

If you went to the site you

If you went to the site you can see how they do it on video.
Why would you need a mountain of plastic garbage bags??
I've watched it converted into Diesel and I never seen any bags?
I imagine changing over to Diesel would be the best choice becasue it can be grown on areas not competing with our crops.
And the byproduct is harmless..
They grow it in a closed bio setup and it takes away difficulties like competing algae in the environment.
Right now they are claiming to be at approximately $ .80/l and they are in their infancy claiming they could more then double it production.
Yes I would grow tons of Hemp but not for fuel, I'd grow it for food, Medicine etc. like I had stated earlier.
Grow Hemp but not for fuel becasue it will take areas needed for food, I believe Algae is or best option but I doubt the Government will ever let it fly.

"If you went to the site you

"If you went to the site you can see how they do it on video.
Why would you need a mountain of plastic garbage bags??"

Did you post this video? Is this the site you're talking about?:

http://www.boreme.com/boreme/funny-2008/vertical-algae-biofuel-p1.php

Look at the way they do it. They use plastic bags hung vertically. I don't mention "garbage" bags - I only mention the grow bags.

Think of how much fuel is required to replace all the gasoline and diesel currently used by all the cars. That's a lot of vertical algae bags. Mountains and mountains of vertical algae bags.

Then think of all the gas engines you gotta replace with diesel engines - millions of them.

With hemp ethanol, you don't have to replace the whole engine - just a little part of it ... plus you don't need a mountain of green algae plastic bags - just farms and farm equipment and a few ethanol processing plants.

Those vertical bags are

Those vertical bags are reusable closed Bio-Loop...You sure you even checked it out?

Miles and miles of bags, that's just silly David...lol

Have YOU checked it out?

"Those vertical bags are reusable closed Bio-Loop...You sure you even checked it out?"

1) I'm sure they are "reuseable" - but I'm also sure they wear out after a while. How long are they good for ... a year? Two?

2) And how many bags are needed to create enough algae-diesel to replace all the gasoline and diesel used every day in the USA and Canada - millions? Billions?

3) And what about the cost of switching all the gasoline engines over to diesel engines?

You keep dodging these questions ... I think it's because you don't have the answers. Hemp ethanol still looks like the more economical choice when you factor in the start-up costs, environmental costs and the costs of switching over to the new system.

If I went to WHAT site?

"If you went to the site you can see how they do it on video."

What site? - there are hundreds of sites.

All the processes I've seen involve bags or tubes to let sunlight in.

responce

the funny thing about hemp is the cellulose level of it is extremely high. from the cellulose bio diesel is made.
the crop can suffer damage from hail , wind , snow and still be harvested with a high cellulose level.

except domestic oil. It's

except domestic oil.
It's all bad, really.

Nooooooooo! I am right, you

Nooooooooo! I am right, you are wrong! I am a miserable wreck, you are happy!

Legalize it!

Thanks for your research. Preach it!

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