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CBC News – British Columbia – Whistler ecstasy death highlights risk: RCMP

Whistler RCMP are warning the public about the dangers of ecstasy after one young man died and another was hospitalized after taking the drug last week.

Kevin Van Huyse, 20, was found unconscious in a Whistler home Thursday morning after taking the illegal street drug in a powdered form. He was rushed to hospital but died a short time later.

The official cause of death has yet to be released, but Whistler RCMP said another young man in the home also overdosed on the drug. He is expected to recover.

So Whistler RCMP are warning the public about the dangers of ecstasy but the cause of death of this young man is unknown. And they say another person “overdosed” on the drug. Yet MDMA (ecstasy) doesn’t kill you and is very hard to overdose on as that term is commonly known (ie, take too much and die). MDMA is actually an incredibly safe drug, as unintentionally highlighted by the rest of the story, which goes on to say that lots and lots of people in Whistler take lots and lots of MDMA all the time. In other words, this tragic death is the exception that proves the rule. The rule being that MDMA is pretty safe.

I also suggest that when the cause of death is known (ie, when the RCMP are doing more that just guessing) we will learn, assuming the story gets covered, that something other than MDMA killed Mr. Van Huyse. Possibly an adulterant in what he thought was MDMA as it is regularly cut with other substances including amphetamines. This is, of course, a known risk of black market products and one that would not exist except that MDMA resides in our list of illegal drugs instead of our list of legal drugs. And if that bears out, you can lay this death, as we can so many before, at the hands of prohibitionists.

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27 Comments

  1. Caber1 on

    Rcmp warning me about the dangers of ecstasy?

    What does a cop know about drugs? No more or less than I do I imagine so why would we even care what they say about pharmaceutical products.

    Do we go to the pharmacy to ask them how to catch killers? When there is a theft do we ask the pharmacist for vague theories and personal opinions on what they think was the cause?
    Besides do you know anybody who you take seriously who would even believe an Rcmp when they told you about drugs.
    My god I almost pee myself laughing just thinking of trying to keep a straight face when a cop gets serious about drugs.
    The fact of the matter is that thousands upon millions of people have tried MDMA with no serious side effects, and unless someone, whose opinion the public trusts, comes out with a study that clearly proves the dangers of MDMA then the cops can probably flap their lips until the cows come home and nobody is going to listen.

    Time for a nice budder hit. Won’t you join me?

  2. Anonymous on

    Yo..I could give 2 shits if you injested gasoline, as long as you do not endanger the public.

    I can’t you give an instance where a school shooting was caused by Ecstacy, but you are splittin’ hairs here man..being tricked by product brand labeling..a marketing ploy by Big Pharma.

    Dude..all these drugs E, Paxil, Prozac, Luvox, Lexapro etc., are just brand names. What these drugs all have in common in reality is that they all effect serotonin levels in the brain. All the school shooters were on some type of serotonin effecting drugs when they committed their crimes.

    Serotonin drugs should not be handed out like candy, legal or otherwise, because sometimes, it endangers the public. Sometimes, non users can be harmed by serotonin altering drugs by folks who are on the drugs, with school shooters being an example.

    Save your personal freedoms speech until you know all the facts and ramifications of certain drugs and their negative impact on the public at large….

    Lastly..I think whatever you are using in the name of freedom is messing with your ability to spell. You butchered the correct spelling of the word responsible..
    I mean, c’mon now responciple? At least you made me laugh.

    Peace

  3. Anonymous on

    Jodie:

    Though I mostly agree with you and your husband’s politics
    regarding the Thug Drug War, I must repectfully disagree with you folks on this one.

    Maybe I was incorrect in assuming that you and Marc were naturalists, which means that chemically made, mind bending substances have no place in your agenda. Big Pharma gets rich off of anti-depressant type drugs, which are also chemical cousins to LSD and Ecstacy type serotonin inhibitors. This is fact. Following your logic, that would mean that he thinks that anti-depressants are safe?

    Does he know that all the school shooting perpetrators over the last 20 years in Canada and the US had one thing in common..all were on LEGAL, serotonin altering, quality made synthetic drugs? Not Ecstacy, but its chemical cousins, including Prozac and Luvox brand names. Youth suicide in the US is skyrocketing in line with the increase
    in legal use of these types of drugs which are all related to Ecstacy. On the side of an anti-deprssant pill bottle, there is a warning that the drug could cause suicide. I hope you folks can see the correlation I am making here.

    Big Pharma invented LSD, Ecstacy and SSRI anti-depressants.

    Personally, it would tough for me to promote a safe substance such as marijuana, while at the same time defending serotonin inhibitors like Ecstacy. I also don’t believe that nature intended human beings to have their brain chemistry impacted by a man made substance.

    I feel that Marc’s cause would be taken more seriously by more people if he did not push the envelope so much, and make blanket statements that authentic serotonin inhibiting
    drugs are safe, and everyone should try them.

    Its also hypocritical of Marc to go after Big Pharma, while at the same time promoting a pill invented by Big Pharma.

    Thanks for hearing me out.

  4. Anonymous on

    Please define brain damage? as you interpret it. LSD temporarily changes the chemical composition of the brain it does not cause damage to it.

    “Neither of us are doctors here, so you can show me a whole bunch of studies saying its safe and I can show you studies
    that say its dangerous. A waste of time for both of us…”

    Your claim that you have studies that show LSD causes damage is patently false. LSD is generally considered nontoxic, although it may temporarily impair the ability to make sensible judgments and understand common dangers, thus making the user more susceptible to accidents and personal injury.

    I most certainly would not give LSD to a child, much like you wouldn’t give alcohol, coffee or tobacco to a child either, unless it was prescribed by a doctor. That being said LSD is nontoxic and would not cause damage to the brain.

  5. Willie Awesome on

    Please, please tell me even one single instance in which after a school shooting or Suicide where MDMA was involved, also include a reference point to your answer.

    Also, lets assume it is dangerous, who gives a fuck? As long as I am a responciple adult with a clean record, who are you to tell me I cant smoke pot, take E, do mushrooms, or connect with nature like my ancestors did? Why is MY personal saftey YOUR responsibility.

    Laws on personal safety are laws on personal freedom.

  6. Anonymous on

    As Kirk states, MDMA Does not kill you, yet we probably hear of more than one death a year from Exctasy, bought from some friend who doesn’t know where it came from, or a dealer that simply does not care. There is one word that can be removed from the english language that would stop this from ever happening again. We all know what word it is.

  7. Anonymous on

    First off I never mentioned LSD flashbacks being real or imagined..whatever. Please answer my intial question. Is LSD safe enough to give to kids or a stranger for that matter? For example, apples don’t cause brain damage and I would give one to a kid. Can you say the say the same for LSD? Following your know it all logic, LSD should be OK too..right???

    Neither of us are doctors here, so you can show me a whole bunch of studies saying its safe and I can show you studies
    that say its dangerous. A waste of time for both of us…

    My question was more of a silly rhetorical question, which you refuse to answer. I think I know why..its probably not as safe as you think it is…

    Keep on trippin’ if that makes you happy I guess. Just don’t defend the product as being non-brain damaging like an apple… You are sending mixed messages to people,
    with terms like long term brain brain damage, which is tricky language..what about short term brain damage? Do you at least acknowledge short term brain damage?

  8. Anonymous on

    Your question is irrelevant. This isn’t about giving drugs to children it is about the scientific merit of your statements. Without evidence it is just opinion, and an uninformed one at that. Your question is an amateurish attempt to distract from my main point which is that you have nothing to corroborate your story. LSD does not cause any long term brain damage nor are so called flashbacks a symptom of LSD induced brain damage. Once again I challenge you to provide evidence of your position.

  9. jodie on

    and it’s incredibly safe. The quality of the substance (legalization would assure) and the dosage (more honest information required only found in legal environments) will determine health outcomes that veer from safeness.

    Its a substance every adult should try, their lives will be greatly improved, as almost everyone who tries authentic MDMA finds.

    Comment by Marc Emery.

  10. From the 70s on

    The RCMP don’t just enforce the law, they promote their US War on Drugs. So they take a lot of the blame for every death from any bad or contaminated streets drugs or when teens overdose because they are not taught anything to protect themselves. TI also think they are to blame for all the kids who die from the drug alcohol, they of course only know the RCMP LIES on marijuana, nothing about alcohol.

    How they can fool themselves and get the RCMP constables to believe that they actually help children is beyond any reality. Its called indoctrination (it must be some sort of mind control or something).

    The RCMP kill Canadians (and they LIE to us all to do it).

  11. Anonymous on

    Your question is irrelevant. This isn’t about giving drugs to children it is about the scientific merit of your statements. Without evidence it is just opinion, and an uninformed one at that. Your question is an amateurish attempt to distract from my main point which is that you have nothing to corroborate your story. LSD does not cause any long term brain damage nor are so called flashbacks a symptom of LSD induced brain damage. Once again I challenge you to provide evidence of your position.

  12. Anonymous on

    Dude..rather than supply you tons of data to support my reasoning..its easier if I just ask you this question..

    If you believe that its so safe, would you give it to a child and not worry about it harming he or she?

    Waiting for your reply……..

  13. Anonymous on

    You are trippin’ buddy. Your statements make no sense. Your thought processes are all over the place, which is a side effect of serotonin poisoning. Just sayin’

  14. Anonymous on

    funny how MDMA was discoverd in 1912 alonnnnnnng time b4 we even had anti depresants but the 100 year aniversity will be 2012 quick every one underground with your mdma caps to celebrate 100 years of the unknown!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    lol this should get some people stirring

  15. Anonymous on

    LSD

    LSD!!!!!!!!

    were talking about a the ergot fungus that grows on rye naturally and the chemicaly produced drug MDMA where is your head AT?????????????

    another brain washed media patron

  16. Anonymous on

    Your analogies are somewhat flawed. If a 1 year old baby accidently ingested ecstacy..he or she would be at the emergency room immediately. If he or she drank coffee or bumped their head on the cupboard, they probably would not. See where I’m going here?

    Also, when you state that millions of people have taken this drug with no side effects you are kidding yourself. All users have altered their brain chemistry, at least temporarily. Side effects can show up years later..think smoking..

    Anyway, thats about all I have to say. We obviously differ on opinions..just be careful.

  17. Anonymous on

    Please provide scientific documentation to support your analysis. All known evidence has debunked any brain damage associated with LSD. Also the theory of Flashbacks has also been debunked. Where are you getting your inaccurate information from? Please provide sources.

  18. Anonymous on

    Drinking coffee can cause “brain damage”, eating to much sugar causes “brain damage”. Too much co2 causes “brain damage” hitting your head on the cupboard door causes “brain damage”. There are many ways we can hurt ourselves and cause “brain damage” it is about relative risk associated with said activities. Almost any substance used in excess can cause damage to the human body. It is a question of responsibility and risk. The vast majority of people, and I mean in the millions, use mdma with no adverse reactions. As I said before the only major common risk is hyperthermia (overheating) (not hypothermia) especially in those who are exerting themselves for long periods of time. It is important for users to pay attention to their bodies and make sure they aren’t overheating. Take breaks from dancing. Step outside for a moment if the temperature in the room is high. Make sure to drink enough, but not too much, water. I understand that you come from a place of compassion and fundamentally you are just trying to help. If you take the time to read the research that is available you will find that yes there are some risks in taking MDMA but with common sense and proper education they are almost completely alleviated. I would much rather my child take some MDMA with their friends then to spend a night drinking alcohol a clearly much more dangerous and deadly readily available drug.

  19. Anonymous on

    Brainwashed..Ya know..all the stuff you mention in your post was applicable to LSD back in the late 60’s. It was supposed to be this “wonder drug” that would help many illnesses. Even universities agreed at the time.

    Once enough people were duped on its safety and LSD became more widely accessable, people starting jumping off rooftops and ending up in mental institutions due to brain damaging, yes brain damaging “bad trips”.

    Drugs such as LSD, MDMA or Anti-Depressants are messing with natural serotonin levels in the brain.

    Sometimes..think school shootings, suicides etc., the results can be disasterous as the subject is experiencing Serotonin poisoning as a direct result of these pills.

    Lastly..do not always believe that university studies are non-biased regarding these substances. Big Pharma, big time gives money to these schools to help with their research, so the universities themselves are far from neutral in their opinions.

  20. Anonymous on

    To the obvious E user dude..you need help too. Following your silly logic, I guess its ok to huff a little spray paint, because if you do too much, it causes brain damage.

    See what I mean here my man..1 pill has an effect on your brain…..you get a buzz and guess what?, that’s right, its damaging your brain.

    Serotinin’s definition, its impact on brain chemistry caused by serotonin altering pills (E)should be your assignment for today. Educate yourself please, as your uneducated comment was really awful….

    Peace

  21. Anonymous on

    all of you that believe MDMA is harmful period have been brain washed by the media and government.
    MDMA is currently being used as medicine in sweden and israel as a crutch FOR PTSD post tramatic stress disorder also to treat depression
    THIS IS A WONDER DRUG it is healping people that have seen the most horrible things in their life which has caused their lives to a haulting standstill Actully be able to talk about these problems and without stress or severe anxiety AND NO OTHER DRUG ON EARTH CAN MAKE U LET DOWN THE WALLS OF PROTECTION A PERSON HAS BUILT WHEN A TRAMATIC EVENT TAKES PLACE
    ALSO ALL YOU PEOPLE THINKING MDMA WRECKS YOUR BRAIN ARE WRONG THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A BRAIN SCAN WHEN UR BRAIN IS ON MDMA ITS ALL MADE UP BY THE DEA
    ALSO

    lets not forget here this drug was invented by non other than a BIG pharma company MERCK this company has ties with bayer and other big pharma ANY anti- depressant adderal many other drugs have worse effects on the brain causeing serotonin syndrome

    AND finally The british drug counsell said that giving MDMA to a stranger is a hell of ALOT safer than giving a single peanut to someone these comments forced him to step down although he was telling the truth

    Among underground psychotherapists, MDMA developed a reputation for enhancing communication during clinical sessions, reducing patients’ psychological defenses, and increasing capacity for therapeutic introspection.

    if this drug is sooo bad why are universitys all around the world been given permisson to study of a medical outcome

    Subsequent legally-approved MDMA studies in humans have taken place in the U.S. in Detroit (Wayne State University), Chicago (University of Chicago), San Francisco (UCSF and California Pacific Medical Center), Baltimore (NIDA-NIH Intramural Program), and South Carolina, as well as in Switzerland (University Hospital of Psychiatry, Zürich), the Netherlands (Maastricht University), and Spain (Universitat Autònoma de Barcelona)

    the evidence is out there people its your chioce to use this drug n your chioce to make up ur mind who will u believe the dea, rcmp, and the media or good old fashion unversity clinical studies and results let u be the judge!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  22. Anonymous on

    Also changes in the brain do not damage make.

  23. Anonymous on

    Overuse of the drug causes damage. If YOU did your research you would see that the animals involved in the studies were given a much higher dose in mg/kg than is normally found in a single pill. Remember that a lot of the research out there is funded by prohibitionist agencies. Easy solution: don’t fire down 10 pills at once.

  24. Anonymous on

    Dude..you are either lieing or uneducated regarding this subject. I hope its the latter.

    I assume that you are a user of this product. Please remember that the drug is tricking your mind into a false sense of security. As a libertarian thinker, I have no problem with you using this substance, or any other one out there.

    But please..for the sake of other people, do not dismiss the fact that this drug is not safe. I hope for your sake that you do not suffer any long term psysical/emotional damage from this drug. You may be OK now, but sometimes the damaging effects of these drugs take years to occur.

    Lastly..c’mon man..how you can say that this drug is safe when in the same breath you also mention hormonal changes and hypothermia associated with it.
    Think about what you are actually doing to your brain and body with this stuff? Yuk….

    I hope you learned something today.

    Peace

  25. Anonymous on

    MDMA in it’s pure form does not cause brain damage, no more so then jogging would. The only real danger associated with MDMA is Water Poisoning. Some ecstasy users overreact to the overheating and dehydration issue by obsessively over-drinking. When drinking large amounts of water it’s important to mix in sports drinks or salty snacks to avoid the very real dangers of water poisoning and hyponatremia (low salt), which can cause serious health problems including death. MDMA can cause changes in the body’s antidiuretic hormone, leading to much higher susceptibility to hyponatremia. Drink water, but don’t drink too much. MDMA is a tool, like anything else it can be used for good or for harm. If used wisely it can enhance ones relationships and promote and over sense of well being. It has been well documented that MDMA is a great tool that should be used in relationship councilling. If used properly MDMA is no more harmful then Tylenol.synbid

  26. Anonymous on

    MDMA in it’s pure form does not cause brain damage, no more so then jogging would. The only real danger associated with MDMA is Water Poisoning. Some ecstasy users overreact to the overheating and dehydration issue by obsessively over-drinking. When drinking large amounts of water it’s important to mix in sports drinks or salty snacks to avoid the very real dangers of water poisoning and hyponatremia (low salt), which can cause serious health problems including death. MDMA can cause changes in the body’s antidiuretic hormone, leading to much higher susceptibility to hyponatremia. Drink water, but don’t drink too much. MDMA is a tool, like anything else it can be used for good or for harm. If used wisely it can enhance ones relationships and promote and over sense of well being. It has been well documented that MDMA is a great tool that should be used in relationship councilling. If used properly MDMA is no more harmful then Tylenol.synbid

  27. Anonymous on

    Regardless of how this poor kid died, Ecstacy, MDMA is still a dangerous drug that alters ones natural brain serotonin level. Similar to poisonous anti-depressant pills, which also alter brain serotonin levels, these drugs in fact cause brain damage. This is fact…ask a real doctor and not a shrink to verify the exact dangers.

    You are also incorrect to imply that this chem manufactured pill is safe and effective.

    All chemist/man made pharms are quite risky, and act as outside agents that were never intented to be consumed by humans.

    It suprises me that the cannibus culture website would allow non-factual information regarding ecstacy to be published… It really makes no sense at all…

    In the future author, please get your facts straight and do not co-mingle a dangerous chemical (Ecstacy), with a natural harmless substance (marijuana) to promote the negative aspects of prohibition.