Chances Are High Pot Measure Will Pass

That proposed ballot initiative to legalize marijuana in California for people 21 and older – and let local government tax the sales – has a good chance of passing.

People are no longer outraged by the idea of legalization, and truth be told, there is just too much money to be made both by the people who grow marijuana and the cities and counties that would be able to tax it.

Unlike the 1970s, when Mayor George Moscone first moved to decriminalize pot, marijuana is no longer about hippies. Thanks to medical marijuana, pot has moved from the alleyways to Main Street, with pot clubs springing up all over the state.

And let’s be honest for a moment. How many of the people going into those clubs do you think are really sick? Anyone who has observed those operations knows that much of the pot is being used recreationally anyway, so we might as well have a discussion about whether to bring it out in the open.

You might think the Legislature would pick up on this, and indeed Assemblyman Tom Ammiano, D-San Francisco, has made a proposal to legalize and tax pot. But although legalizing marijuana fits both Republicans’ libertarian instincts and Democrats’ progressivism, they won’t touch it with a 10-foot-long pack of rolling papers.

For all our weak-kneed politicians, however, I don’t see any organized opposition to legal pot on the horizon. So if the pot growers put their money in the right places, they win in 2010.

– Article from San Fransisco Chronicle

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26 Comments

  1. Anonymous on

    and imagine if the cops didnt have to arrest someone every 20 seconds for pot related offenses then they would have the time to actually serve and protect. heck, we could probably even send some much needed money to hospitals and schools.
    there are many reasons why the wont legalize pot but they should legalize it for the kids so they get better educations, better hospitals and make them safer from the things that actually do cause harm. how simple can an adults only law be.
    what a colossal fucking waste of time and money this has been so far.
    you cant cut the police out altogether but you could stop spending money on the ones busting up dope heads. how is it that we could allow them to make 100000 people pay to keep 500 drug offenders in jail and still afford everything else. 500 times $50000 is $25,000000. in my book thats 250 bucks that everyone has to pay a year to bust, persecute, and hold these people.

  2. one12alpha on

    What did we settle upon? No right to govern for the state? No control over federal reign? Please refresh me in this aspect.

  3. one12alpha on

    maybe, I wasn’t born yet. If that is the notion you’re getting then yes. They should mind their own till we need them. And when we do, they should have every means at their disposal to aid us…even if it is just helping grandma with her groceries.

  4. Anonymous on

    so…other than the inherit racism that existed back then, the cops would start acting as they used to in the 50’s/60’s?

  5. Anonymous on

    I have dreamed of moving to Cali forever. I am an Ohioan and well yeah..that should say it all to anyone who knows this great state. If this actually goes through, I am moving!

  6. Anonymous on

    Please don’t bring up states rights, because as most any history teacher will tell you, that idea was settled with the civil war.

  7. one12alpha on

    Thank you anonymous poster. I’m glad to see that some of us are on the same page about police. Its not that the whole cop idea is bad. There are to many good honest people trying to feed their family who are cops. And I forgive them for falling victim of the all to human condition of laziness. If we made farts illegal, they’d be hiding in restrooms.

    But we got to get rid of this injustice that is the drug war, then we can work on what we think our police need to do with all their extra money/time. And going after library fines aint my first choice….how about these un-answered amber alerts? There are serious victims out there who need help, who need the amount of attention this plant gets from cops. I saw a local amber alert just the other day, that same day there was another raid on another pot dealer. I see where our priorities lie….its just truly sad.

    Seriously, I think even a handful of crack addicts going one more week on their drug of choice is less important than finding just 2 innocent girls, and bringing them home. After all those 2 may just be the ones who grew up to help those crack addicts find a better way of life. The world works like that, I know it seems odd(call it god, call it karma, call it coincidence, call it what you will), but it does.

  8. one12alpha on

    I know my post about cops may sound a little harsh toward cops, but sometimes the boss has to put it bluntly to make a point. And as the police are a servent to the public, part of that being me, and I’m sure many would agree. I do believe cops are a necessary facet of society. But I think a law can be buried by just plain ill will to enforce.

    I think part of the problem is “quotas”, where a policeman must make so many tickets or arrests (not entirely sure how it works). Setting a quota on how many crimes are prevented, is setting a quota on how much crime HAS to exist. I just isn’t logical to mandate a required amount of crime. Suppose a policeman can’t make quota because his jurisdiction is in some sort of fairytale crime free area, where everyone paid taxes and followed every rule perfectly(because this is where we live, until proven otherwise/guilty)… what of his quota then?

    While I agree, respect and courtesy goes a long way, but you should also remember where your protections lay, and what his job is. Its one thing when you know you have no evidence against you, but when you do its a whole new story. You cant just let a cop charm you into full confession, remember he has to PROVE you did something wrong…or use the patriot act, which ever one.

  9. conureman on

    When I had a current recc from Dr. Mikuriya, I used to go to some of the dispensaries, and MOST of the people I saw were quite visibly and sadly afflicted. I don’t know about these days, as I am poor and uninsured and my doctor died &c. IMO most people are not informed or kind-hearted enough to see through the FUD from the Police-Industrial Complex and the Medical profiteers. What needs to be emphasized is the enormous public burden of drug prohibition, and how it finances terrorism and violent crime. I understand the citizens of Ciudad Juarez are getting some schooling on the subject. What money the Taliban gets that isn’t skimmed from your last fill-up of Saudi gasoline, is probably collected from illicit opium trafficking. Personally I despise the tweakers around my neighborhood, but there are public behavior laws that cover their offenses, and a good part of the problem would be solved if their poor choice of poison was a personal problem rather than a public one.

  10. Anonymous on

    “The private actions of men which in no way offend public order or morality, nor injure a third party, are only reserved to God and are exempted from the authority of judges.” Quote “Argentina constitution”.

    I suggest all you politican in the United States shove your head back up your ass!

    AND LEAVE ME AND PLANTS THE FUCK ALONE!

    IGNORANT BELIEVERS!

  11. Anonymous on

    The other day I was on the way to a concert and we were taking the light rail we decided to smoke a doobie bvefore we got on the train right as we finished my girl says “oh shit a cop.” and proceeds to destroy the tiny little roach and the only evidence whatsoever that we had lol so the cop walks up to my window and knocks on it and all I can do in my clam baked ass car is look at him and hit the auto roll down button he bends over and is just blasted with a face full of pungent marijuana smoke and asks “Wheres the weed?” and I say “It’s all gone we finished it” he says “Where’s the pipe?” I said “don’t have one” He’s like What about a roach some ashes anything? and I say nope sorry we threw it out when we were done with it” He asks me to step out of the car and I do at this point I’m still not sure what’s going to happen but I’m pretty sure it’s not good since I live in a draconian state where any usable amount of Marijuana is a felony with a one year mandatory minimum.
    so I get out and he asks where we were going I say well we were on our way to a concert but know I’m not quite sure and he says “well if your being a hundred percent honest with me you’ll probably still be going to the concert”I’m thinkin whats this probably shit but at this point what do I have to lose.So I tell him Look I know your just doing your job however fucked up I may think it is that you have to enforce them might be and I am being 100% honest with you there is nothing in the car and there is nothing on me he asks if I would empty out my pockets and of course I did, even let him check my change pocket.(of course this strategy will only work if your not holding…Kinda)he asks if he can search the car and I tell him there’s nothing in there but if you must feel free.He did and came out empty handed.I proceeded to tell him we just left a rally to Free Marc Emery and that I am politically active in trying to change these unjust laws and that I had nothing but hte utmost respect for them because they do risk their lives everyday and when I was robbed at gunpoint they were there in less than a minute,and I told that I thought it was fucked up that they are forced into wasting there time enforcing a law that we all know is unfair and asked him if he really thought that it would worth $40,000 dollars to put me away for a year and proceeded to tell him I’m harmless all i do is smoke a lil herb and he says he agrees with me and I ask him if he’s ever heard of the organization L.E.A.P. law enforcement against prohibition and he’s says no but he’ll check it out then he sayswell that’s it guys you were honest with me and I’m a man of my word so have fun at your concertto which I replied Thank you sir you are slowy but surley reaffirming my faith in law enforcement and he kinda chuckles and gets into his car and drives away all in all a good experience except for the fact that I had to go home and change my shorts lol..
    The moral of the story not all cops are douche bags and if when you are presented with a situation where you pretty much think your fucked just remain calm collected and tell the truth if your caught your caught you might as well use all the info you have learned on this and other sites to try and talk your way out of it you’ll be surprised how many want to be on our side but can’t be for fear of reprisals from work just talk it out remain calm and let them know that you do appreciate them for the job they doeven if you disagree with some of the laws they are forced to enforce. A little flattery goes a long way

  12. Anonymous on

    But since you seem to be capable of understanding them instead of “the other way around, Them beeing able to understand you, why don’t you lower yourselves to them a bit, by beeing polite,requesting, Saying Please all the time, And Debate them by your superiority into oblivion?

    Please is the near Equivalent of # PEACE #

    >>>>><<<<<

  13. Anonymous on

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  14. B.C. on

    Doesn’t matter what California legislates about Cannabis, the feds only recognize the CDSA. Granted, they probably don’t have the manpower to raid the hundreds of Cannabis convenience stores, I mean medical dispensaries. I guess it would be a matter of which store’s name happened to get drawn out of a DEA hat.

  15. one12alpha on

    Doubting the illness of patients is just unethical, in my opinion. Doubting their need for marijuana as medicine is the dangerous part.

    Take into consideration, that marijuana is sometimes used for mental illness (depression, anxiety, etc), and pain. Both of these conditions are completely subjective. There is no physical evidence of pain, short of the patient’s facial expression or complaint in cases of severe pain, or the mechanism of injury. Still, the quality and severity of the pain is entirely subjective upon the patient’s description. There is also no physical evidence of depression, or anxiety, also short of the patient’s body language. The clinical diagnosis for both is based solely on the patient’s complaint.

    Unless you are that patients provider, you have no business in questioning a person on their illness. And any information shared by the patient is privileged information.

    The fact that one could lie and claim mental illness or pain to receive medication is irrelevant. People will do this regardless of what drug is being prescribed, be it percocet, xanax, or marijuana. Doctors are supposed to be trained in recognizing “drug seeking behavior.” When drug seeking behavior is recognized, it becomes a matter of personal delema to the doctor. “Do I go ahead and prescribe this medication, or not? Should I suggest rehabilitation? If I don’t prescribe the medication, the patient will seek the drug else where, possibly on the street…what is more important to me abuse prevention, or the patients safety from uncontrolled medication? What risk is it to me with either choice?”

    Given marijuana’s relative safety to other abused prescription medications, I don’t think it really matters as to rather the patient is legit or not. We should be promoting responsible use of marijuana if its going to be used at all, just as we should for every other mind altering substance.

  16. Anonymous on

    Awesome post one12alpha, I agree 100%.

  17. Babble Fish on

    First off “Police Groups” is dead wrong and misinformed (as well as others), and is spouting off ideas that even Bush would admit were outdated and severely overtired and over-tried. The days of making money in the War in Drugs is over and most everyone with an education higher than kindergarten has accepted that.

    That said, Willie Brown is right with the majority of what he reported, however, the levity for which it was reported is making the process of legalization hard to swallow for much of the United States legislation. Not only because it does make folks like “Police Groups” pissed off enough to spout falsehoods, but it also makes those better equipped with reason to hesitate legalizing because of the perceived “abuse” of medical marijuana. This kind of levity can make a the right legislators question whether medical marijuana is even a sound idea.

    In other words if we want to legalize it, we need to act like we are adult enough to handle legal marijuana. I know, it’s a dumb notion, but this is how legislators think. I have spent plenty of time dealing with the red-tape mentality they have of waiting to see the results of something that is never allowed to begin in the first place.

    What I’m trying to say is that we need to be cool about it before they will eventually be cool about. It’s like the old “you’re going to shoot your eye out” line of thinking. Make “dad” think you are responsible enough to handle it first before you gloat about it in his face. Then we can all be happy and toke all we want.

  18. Anonymous on

    I find this article to be very dangerous for the people who are actually sick and need marijuana..

    “How many of the people going into those clubs do you think are really sick? ”

    Talking like this is adding fuel for the DEA to keep shutting down clubs.

    I realize that a lot of people just make up some bullshit to get a card and smoke weed legally but there are far more sick people benefitting with marijuana so talk like this is just dangerous.

  19. one12alpha on

    Lets look at this situation with a comparison to history. Should the state determine to legalize marijuana, and the federal government seek to interfere. It would be an interference with STATES RIGHTS.

    The federal interference with states rights was the very cause of the American civil war. Already there is a strong gathering of disdain for federal interference in other states over this medical marijuana situation as well. The only major difference would be that this time around, the union would be the ones trying to enforce slavery, while the rebels seek freedom. They say the south will rise again…maybe they meant south west?

  20. one12alpha on

    I hale from the bland state of AZ, though I’m currently residing in NC. I’ve traveled up and down CA, and I cant find one reason to dislike that state. Its got everything from coastal tropics, barren desert with the imperial sand dunes, densely forested mountaintops, redwood and sequoia forest, and the flat planes that make up the Napa valleys wineries, and lets not forget the busy metropolis. I once read that the fantastic state was the 5th richest population in the world, though I don’t know how true that is. I guess I’d better get my butt over there and get my residence before its to late…”stay classy San Diego” lol

  21. Anonymous on

    I am SO excited about this. If this were to pass, I mean, I think that would really be the beginning of the end.

    I know there’s still this huge elephant in the room with the federal ban. But even eight years of the most right-wing, bible-thumping zealot-run government we’ve possibly ever had STILL couldn’t even take down the medical dispensaries in California.

    Don’t get me wrong, the DEA still made a huge nuisance of itself. A lot of innocent and even a lot of helpless people have suffered greatly and needlessly. But even with all those atrocities– that if there were any justice in the world would get the DEA sent to the Hague for war crimes– there are still more dispensaries in L.A. than Starbucks.

    If it were able to be sold to anyone over 21 by any licensed retailer, how the hell would the feds be able to cope with that? You talk about overgrowing the government, this is it, man.

    I hate to say something like “What will they do? Send in the National Guard and bust up every shop?” because I don’t want to risk tempting fate. But I think the political ramifications to that would be far too severe, way more trouble than the effort would be worth. And I think the government would know that.

    That’s really it in the end: making prohibition more trouble than its worth, even to those in charge.

  22. Anonymous on

    Police group in california are broke!! And all forms of governments are very close to the edge The only people with any real monies are potheads and Indians?? And yea we will buy are own leaders just like the pill cos did and since we have no big pill co plants in this state there history!! We shall fund there retierment from the game. If not next step is to withdraw from the union and go back to the california republic like in the first ten year of this state!! forgot that and since we grow 90 percent of friuts and veggies for the rest of the states dont fuck with us or thell be paying 20.00 dollers a grape!! get it!!

  23. one12alpha on

    I believe the reason police tend to be in such favor of keeping marijuana illegal, is because if it were legal we would quickly see how useless they’ve become. Don’t get me wrong, I do think they are necessary for a stable society. But police have long lost sight of the motto “to serve and to protect.”

    Police don’t track down rapists, or murderers, detectives do. Very rarely do they ever find a missing person alive. They shrug their shoulders after 7 days of walking through the woods around the persons house, and give up. If you report something like a stolen car, or any theft for that matter, they record the fact that you had something stolen and that’s it.

    If their not bugging people over marijuana, their sitting by the road scanning for people speeding. People getting any amount of police interaction for anything less than 15 over is pure harassment, unless its in a residential/school zone.

    Marijuana users are easy targets, its that simple. More often than not, they are unaware of their rights. They are incredibly docile and pose very little or no threat to the officer. The evidence is easy to spot, and smell with or with out a dog. And they usually all use the same hiding places, making a search quite easy.

    I think the police may just as well sit in the station and wait for us to call them when we need them….like fire fighters! Who actually deserve more than the police. The do more than anyone when it comes to serving and protecting us. They are almost always the first to show up at a 911 call…and they’re sitting in their station until minutes into your call! Police drive around intimidating people and causing traffic to back up, because very few people will pass up a cop car on the road.

    When I start seeing more police helping people…by, say; help with a flat tire, or give a bit of gas when someone runs out, or pick up the hazards laying in the roads they are to patrol. I would suggest capturing loose animals, but given the police’s violent track record, they had ought to leave that to professionals. Hell, even if they were to route traffic around a residential road while kids played street hockey, it would be a major improvement from the crap they do now.

    Come on cops out there, we expect better from you… quit being such a disappointment, and a senseless waste of tax dollars.

  24. From the 70s on

    It really is outrageous how the Police whom as a group have a much higher rate of substance abuse than civilians using the drug alcohol which basically has the highest intoxication of all drugs (meaning they are the most dangerous when they are high on alcohol)are the ones in favor of keeping marijuana illegal.

    The Police know the truth yet promote these vicious unjust laws. It sort of makes them MONSTERS except the truth is, they are just addicts with very low self-esteem, that is what you get when you limit the gene pool that you select the cops from (they are all buddies, no pun intended).

    Low self-esteem is also why they stay in cop mode 24 hours a day.

  25. one12alpha on

    All to often we only look at the money to be made from the recreational use of marijuana. And lets be honest here, the estimates are typically based on the street value of it as it stands now, illegal. Obviously if it were legal there will be many who will grow their own rather that buy it from a market. Still, you can brew your own beer, and grow your own tobacco. But its just so much more simple to go to the local market.

    However, we seem to be over looking the one most profitable potential for marijuana…Hemp as an industrial resource. As it stands now, industrial marijuana (Cannabis ruderalis) is also illegal despite its sub percentage THC content. Nearly every thing we consume today can be made from hemp, and at a lesser cost to the environment. There was an article in “Popular Mechanics” (Feb, 1938) titled “New billion dollar crop” ( http://www.jackherer.com/popmech.html ). The article goes on to state that (even at that time); there are over 5,000 textile products, from rope to fine lace to be made from the fibers, and over 25,000 products, from TNT to cellophane, to be made from the woody ‘hurds’ remaining after the fibers have been harvested. Now the article came out not long after the first law (“marijuana tax act”) was initiated, which goes to show how little was known about the legislation against cannabis. Furthermore, scientific studies are showing an ever growing potential use for the other Cannabis varieties(sativa/indica) as medicine, the sky is the limit with the monetary value in this aspect. Another very profitable potential for cannabis is fuel. CC’s own David Malmo-Levine did a very intriguing study into this aspect, and concluded that we could produce fuel to be sold as low as 50cents per gallon. And once again, taking into consideration our acceptance of current fuel prices, the sky seem the limit in potential for monetary value.

    Now if you take all of marijuana’s potential uses, and sum them up you can quickly see why not just big pharma is funding such resistance. But also big oil as well, because hemp could not only replace crude oil as fuel, but also most of the petro-chemical industry. Hemp does not require pesticides, or herbicides (a loss to the oil industry). Hemp could be used to make BIODEGRADABLE plastics as well (another loss to the oil industry). Hemp as a textile out preforms fabrics like rayon, and polyester(another loss to oil industry), on top of that the textiles can be recycled into superior paper products.

    Taking all in consideration, if cannabis use in industry was to meet its full potential, its net worth would far exceed any one industry we have today. In addition, it is an easily renewable resource. And best of all, we could gain independence from most foreign imports while at the same time, giving the everyman an opportunity to profit from the market. Be that in growing for recreational, or growing for industry.

    It seems to me that if there is ONE thing that CAN save the economy, its cannabis. If all this comes as a surprise to you, and you are in disbelief, I would advise you to read Jack Herer’s “The Emperor Wears No Clothes.” He’s got it posted online to be read for free at his web page ( http://www.jackherer.com/chapters.html ). Its very informative, and he sights many references should you still find your self in disbelief about all this.

    I find it amusing how ones use of marijuana automatically discredits their opinion, or any information offered by them, labeling them a “Stoner.” By that same logic, your opinion is discredited to me by your use of oil, petro-chemicals, any pharmaceutical, alcohol, or tobacco, also labeling you a “capitalist pig”

    Rather than going back to sleep, WAKE THE F__K UP, AND SMELL THE FLOWERS!

  26. Anonymous on

    Police groups and big pharma are the “organized” resistance to changes in pot laws. Were you born yesterday? Are they throwing in the towel? Wake up..the money is in enforcement, not freedom. Thugs rule…go back to sleep, stoner!