Last chance to help keep me out of jail!

In the shadow of Marc’s battle with the US government, a smaller drama is unfolding here in Vancouver. I am being sentenced for three counts of s. 5(2) of the Controlled Drug and Substances Act (CDSA). Two of the counts are possession of cannabis for the purposes of trafficking and the third count is possession of psilocybin for the purposes of trafficking.

These charges were in relation to an organization I co-founded called the “Herb School”. We had organic cultivation classes and daily drugwar history walking tours and we sold lots and lots of useful herbs, including the best cannabis, hashish and mushrooms in the city. We had a mini museum and promoted and paid for the rallies after Marc got busted. Here are some links about the School:

http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/4183.html

http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/5163.html

I pleaded guilty to the charges to 1) get this judge who 5 lawyers told me was the least afraid of cannabis any of them had ever encountered, 2) get the trumped-up “morphine” trafficking changes dropped, and 3) to allow all my co-accused to walk away with stayed charges.

If anyone out there went on the Drugwar History Walking Tour or visited the Herb School and wants to help keep me out of jail, I would suggest getting in contact right away with my legal team:

Patricia Weber

[email protected]

Natalie Dunbar

[email protected]

I need short affidavits in support of me not going to jail or getting punished in any way for my herbal crimes. Please let them know how the Herb School helped you. Tomorrow afternoon is the deadline for submissions.

My sentencing hearing is going to be on Sept. 30, Oct. 1 and Oct. 2nd. We have many amazing witnesses who are prepared to testify, but so far the judge has not agreed to hear any of them. I will keep people posted as to the evolution of this case … we should know by this Thursday who will be allowed to give expert testimony.

I have been busted for trafficking flowers in the past, so there is no guarantee what the outcome will be. The Crown is asking for one year. The judge has been nice so far, even allowing the use of Skype to receive testimony from those who can’t travel. I’m hopeful … but then again I’m always hopeful.

Here is my argument in a nutshell:

1) Jail for cannabis offenses fails to achieve the fundamental purpose of sentencing (respect for the law and maintenance of a just, peaceful and safe society).

2) Jail is not a just sanction because it will not (and can not) achieve any of the section 718 objectives. Jail sentences do not achieve the objective of deterrence. Denunciation is not necessary because the public does not denounce the conduct. As well, there has been no evidence produced of any harm to society and thus no need to have reparations or acknowledge harm done. Mr. Malmo-Levine has affidavits and witnesses who will testify to the facts regarding public opinion on this issue and the level of harm that cannabis/herb use – and cannabis/herb prohibition – has caused society.

3) There are offender-specific characteristics that set the Herb School apart from the typical or ordinary marijuana/herb seller: specifically a) the cannabis/herb activism which included but was not limited to multiple interviews for documentaries, organizing rallies and protests, banner-making for marches, pamphlets, a mini-museum and the drug war history walking tours and b) the service provided to the local community which included but was not limited to the beneficial effects of the herbs themselves itself, the harm reduction information that the Herb School made available to it’s students and the redistribution of the wealth to the local community generated by the sales of herbs. Mr. Malmo-Levine has affidavits and witnesses who will testify to these elements of cannabis’s and magic mushroom’s effects on the individual and of the schools operation.

4) There are other important mitigating circumstances to consider – the apparent impossibility of reform of the law through the standard methods offered by society and the great volume of harm to society caused by the continued status quo and a certain amount of tacit complicity among members of the cannabis/herb community that are capable of organizing the community and articulating intellectual critiques and educating the community and yet do none of these things. Those who took part in the activities in the Herb School were motivated to do everything in their power to challenge and end these horrific drug war crimes and they were prepared to commit all manner of harmless disobedience and education in the efforts to stop these drugwar crimes from continuing. Mr. Malmo-Levine has affidavits and witnesses who will testify to how difficult if not impossible the task of reforming the law if one is limited to the “proper channels”. There is Canadian case law that has protected activists from punishment who were in similar circumstances – Mr. Malmo Levine has affidavits and witnesses who understand the impossible task of “proper channel” reform and deserves the opportunity to put evidence before the court of that case law and those circumstances.

The school operated from 2004 to Feb. of 2008 with few if any complaints from anybody. We taught thousands of people about the history of the drug war … how it started here in Vancouver from an anti-Asian riot and a few broken windows of an opium den on Pender and Carrall … how Bayer’s gas warfare in WW1 resulted in the Monument at Hastings and Main … how Jimi Hendrix and Tommy Chong played in the same R&B band in Dec. of ’62 at the Smiling Buddah on Hastings … how the Gastown Police Riot of 1971 went down … and the evolution of the Pot Block.

It is my hope that one day the Herb School will rise again to sell cannabis – legally – and tell the story of the drug war. If you went to the school and want to see it in action again, the first step is to keep my sorry ass out of the hoosegow.

David Malmo-Levine

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  276. Anonymous on

    Everyone should go to the courthouse to show support for David…..this is a historic trial and has the potential to bring about change….

  277. Kyla Williams on

    Hey DML! I had to stop by and wish you the very best in your case this week. You were my trial by fire (or was that under-fire) to stand up and say what I thought… even though I knew that within the hour there would be a hot, well researched retort from you waiting for me after I had said it. Maybe you taught me not to give a damn what anyone thought. Not sure, still working that one out, but after a year of wrangling in the forums, I think I am getting close to my answer! Least I have come so far to start using my real name eh?
    Peace bro.
    Seaweed.

  278. tim scott on

    howdy,
    David thanks for standing up for what is right and risking your freedom. selling weed and other plants to the public and not afraid to say I SELL WEED’ sorry our country and politians are so out to lunch on this so called war on drugs it a war on peace loving people and plants gave us to heal with. all the best and see ya at the new herb school when all this was of time and money is over. I hate not having a save place to my weed while in vancouver, hurry up I ll be out next month.
    peace
    tim

  279. Anonymous on

    Best of luck to both you, and Mr. Emery. To everyone who makes a choice for themselves regardless of the consequences, for everyone who truly lives their life–you are heroes. Thank you.

  280. David Malmo-Levine on

    I got tired of people trying to pretend cannabis was a narcotic so they could feel justified in hating cannabis users and growers and dealers.

    “Legally speaking, Marijuana is NOT a narcotic.”

    http://www.narcoticnews.com/Info/Marijuana/Information_Marijuana.html

    “Marijuana is not a narcotic. Although California law calls it a narcotic, it is pharmacologically distinct from the family of opium derivatives and synthetic narcotics. (Wolstenholme, 1965; Watt, 1965; Garattini, 1965; 1 Crim 5351 Calif. District Court of Appeal, 1st Appel. Dist.)

    Marijuana is not addicting. The use does not develop any physical dependence (see below). (Mayor’s Committee on Marihuana, New York City, 1944; Allentuck & Bowman, 1942; Freedman & Rockmore, 1946; Fort, 1965a, 1965b; Panama Canal Zone Governor’s Committee, 1933; Phalen, 1943; Indian Hemp-Drug Commission, 1894; Watt, 1965; I Crim 5351 Calif. District Court of Appeal, 1st Appel. Dist.; United Nations, 1964a, 1964b)

    In a small percentage of individuals, a “psychological dependence” can develop, but a predisposition must be present. In his paper, “Dependence of the Hashish Type,” Watt (1965, p. 65) concludes: The habit is gregarious and is easily abandoned. Personality defect and incipient or existing psychotic disorder are the essential factors underlying the formation of the habit.”

    http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/hemp/general/bruin.htm

    “Why does Law Enforcement call Cocaine and marijuana a narcotic?
    It isn’t, any shape or form. Narcotics are opiate pain-killers. If they are basing this because they intoxicate, than alcohol is a narcotic and a drug.”

    “Many law enforcement officials in the United States inaccurately use the word “narcotic” to refer to any illegal drug or any unlawfully possessed drug. An example is referring to cannabis as a narcotic.”

    http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080307132142AAfe1q0

  281. Anonymous Last on

    Parke Davis labeled their Cannabis tincture as a sedative analgesic. Sounds like it would dope you up to me. To be honest, though, I just got tired of writing out the longer word Cannabis but just for you I’ll make more of an effort.

  282. David Malmo-Levine on

    “Trust me, it’s dope. The resin is sticky like syrup and the Dutch sell the seeds for it, therefore, it’s dope.”

    “Dope” is a word used by people who wish to confuse cannabis with a narcotic, therefore, it ISN’T dope.

    “Besides, “dope” means “good” in hip hop slang. Are you saying Cannabis isn’t good?”

    No. I’m saying that neither of us are rap artists.

    Let’s use the word “cannabis” – it’s the scientific term, there’s very little fear of that word and it has biblical connotations:

    “Benet demonstrated that the word for cannabis is kaneh-bosm, also rendered in traditional Hebrew as kaneh or kannabus. The root kan in this construction means “reed” or “hemp”, while bosm means “aromatic”. This word appears five times in the Old Testament; in the books of Exodus, the Song of Songs, Isaiah, Jeremiah, and Ezekiel.”

    http://www.cannabisculture.com/v2/articles/1090.html

  283. Anonymous Last on

    Trust me, it’s dope. The resin is sticky like syrup and the Dutch sell the seeds for it, therefore, it’s dope. Besides, “dope” means “good” in hip hop slang. Are you saying Cannabis isn’t good?

  284. Brian Kerr on

    The withdrawal from an opium addiction is every bit as painful and longer lasting as Heroin or Oxy addiction.

    There are many Heroin and former Heroin addicts on that site who say the withdrawal from opium is worse than heroin.

    Poppies have 20 or more addictive drugs in them the main two are Morphine and Codeine and smaller amounts of the others. In effect the user gets addicted to more than one compound at the same time.

    It is nothing like coming off Cigarettes.

    Thanks for testing the law about growing plants etc.
    You are a true *blow the smoke in the cops face activist”.
    I agree we should be able to grow any plant and use that plant as we see fit for personal use.

    One Warning for anybody who wants to try opium. Be careful
    and do your research first. Opium is addictive and you can DIE from an overdose. Not at all like our lovely green bud.

  285. David Malmo-Levine on

    … but you’re wrong about cannabis being “dope”.

    They might admit I didn’t do any harm, and they might refuse to punish me again – as it should be.

    Why would you support a justice system that harmed harmless people?

    By the way … “dope” refers to narcotic drugs – cannabis is not a narcotic … people who use “dope” to refer to cannabis are just displaying their ignorance or their blatant attempt at foisting stigma on to cannabis:

    Dope was borrowed into English from the Dutch word doop, “sauce.” Throughout the 19th century it meant “gravy.” In the North Midland United States, particularly Ohio, dope is still heard as the term for an ice-cream topping, such as syrup. In the South, particularly in South Carolina, dope means “a cola-flavored soft drink.” Dope was especially used of those medicinal preparations that produced a stupefying effect, and it even became a slang term for the dark, molasses-like form of opium that was smoked in opium dens. Some of the common modern meanings of the word dope”a narcotic substance” and “narcotics considered as a group,”developed from this use of the word.

    http://www.thefreedictionary.com/dope

  286. Anonymous who posted last on

    Okay, fine. Use your tried and true defense of no harm for the third time. Why do they even bother to charge you anymore? They know you will use the incredibly powerful “I sold dope for noble purposes so let me go so I can do it again” defense. Maybe we should all sell dope to raise funds for cancer research. In fact, why doesn’t the Cancer Society just start trafficking dope instead of asking people to give them money? As long as they tell the judge they did no harm and remind them that DML gets off all the time using that same defense they will be immune to prosecution.

  287. David Malmo-Levine on

    “That’s your only viable defense, so if you don’t want to use it then that’s your choice.”

    I suppose that’s the defense you used to stay out of jail for your cannabis activism-related retail operation.

    Whoever you are, you know little about law and even less about cannabis – judging from your information provided thus far. Please explain how you’ve arrived at this conclusion with no experience while at the same time discounting my argument that has worked twice before.

    “I might be offended by that statement were I the same person who you’re talking about. I really must start using a name with my comments because otherwise you will think I’m every other person who posts anonymously and will accuse me of making their statements.”

    It’s hard to tell one anonymous douchenozzle from another.

    All of you use insults and none of you provide any facts or any sources for your information, and you all happen to lie and are wrong with every post. You might as well be the same person.

  288. Anonymous on

    You are very noble, forgoing the “they did it too and didn’t even get a spanking” defense in order to spare them from getting a spanking too. That’s your only viable defense, so if you don’t want to use it then that’s your choice. I hear you can use dental floss to saw through bars, true story. Stock up.

    Here’s you;

    “You’re hilarious.

    You call me a “whiner”, “dick”, “asshole” – and I don’t believe we’ve ever met.

    You call me “misguided”, “stupid” and “a waste of talent” but get upset when I respond by noting that you are pathetic – talk about being able to dish it out but unable to take it!

    You lie about the drug war not being the longest war in the world, you lie about me huffing a gram of black hash down before my Supreme Court appearance, you lie about me having to pay Dr. Grinspoon for his testimony, mischaracterized my legal arguments many times, you lied about Insite being an “addiction center”, you hound me for over a week … and then you accuse me of having a “persecution complex”!

    You’re not a cop – you’re a comedian!”

    Here’s me;

    I might be offended by that statement were I the same person who you’re talking about. I really must start using a name with my comments because otherwise you will think I’m every other person who posts anonymously and will accuse me of making their statements. A must say, though, that one of the other anonymouses was a surprisingly accurate judge of character, from what I’ve seen.

  289. David Malmo-Levine on

    “No, not really. You have a persecution complex, don’t you David. Anyone who doesn’t happen to agree with you or doesn’t happen to interpret your posts the way you want is trying to stigmatize you or pretend you are doing something other than what you really are in order to make you look bad.”

    You’re hilarious.

    You call me a “whiner”, “dick”, “asshole” – and I don’t believe we’ve ever met.

    You call me “misguided”, “stupid” and “a waste of talent” but get upset when I respond by noting that you are pathetic – talk about being able to dish it out but unable to take it!

    You lie about the drug war not being the longest war in the world, you lie about me huffing a gram of black hash down before my Supreme Court appearance, you lie about me having to pay Dr. Grinspoon for his testimony, mischaracterized my legal arguments many times, you lied about Insite being an “addiction center”, you hound me for over a week … and then you accuse me of having a “persecution complex”!

    You’re not a cop – you’re a comedian!

    “Who knew they had places where people can go and shoot up drugs? I guess that’s Vancouver for you, land of the walking zombies.”

    Actually, when you get opiates (illegal or otherwise) in the proper dose, you function normally – you can hold down a job, pay your taxes, look after your kids etc etc:

    “Supervised medical prescription of a combination of methadone plus heroin is feasible, safe, and effective with clinically relevant improvements in physical health, mental status, and social functioning (including substantial reductions in criminal behaviours)”

    http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/327/7410/310

    The NAOMI trials in Vancouver are proving that to be true:

    “Results show that North America’s first heroin therapy study keeps patients in
    treatment, improves their health and reduces illegal activity”

    http://www.naomistudy.ca/

    There is little difference between a properly used prescription of heroin and a properly used prescription of Oxycodone.

    “If opiate users wanted to use weed instead, they probably wouldn’t need you to deliver it to them.”

    We didn’t deliver. There was no similar service available to the people of that community – there was no place you could choose your strain and get advice on the proper use. Our quality and prices were better than any other pot dealers around town – plus lots of these people didn’t have the money for the bus so we brought the service to them by locating ourselves in their own community.

    “My guess is that an opiate addict probably has a connection for weed too, or is it your theory that they only use opiates because they couldn’t get weed?”

    It was shitty weed … they were getting ripped off … they could not choose the strain that worked best for them – we changed all that.

    “Openly selling weed and shrooms is still obviously going to result in you going to jail,…”

    Why? I didn’t hurt anyone and was trying to help many people. That argument has resulted in me not going to jail in the past – why wouldn’t it work now?

    “If they can sell seed openly in stores, it is unreasonable and unfair to imprison you for the same activity.”

    They could just promise to go after all those people and I would be blamed for heating them out. I think I’ll pass on your unprincipled, not-very-well-thought-out, doesn’t-help-the-public-understand-anything legal advice, thanks anyway.

  290. Anonymous on

    The bolded part and everything after it was my reply.

  291. Anonymous on

    “I may be pathetic but I’m not going around trying to get people to help me get off a prison sentence after selling drugs next to an addiction center, which had very predictable results.”

    It wasn’t an “addiction center” – it was a supervised injection site. Big difference. These people were not trying to quit taking drugs – they were trying to take hard drugs more safely. I could only be responsible for taking people who were determined to keep using meth and smack and get them interested in using herbs instead.

    By attempting to pretend I was taking people who were trying to quit drugs and diverting them into taking drugs you PROVE you are pathetic. Don’t you have anything better to do?

    No, not really. You have a persecution complex, don’t you David. Anyone who doesn’t happen to agree with you or doesn’t happen to interpret your posts the way you want is trying to stigmatize you or pretend you are doing something other than what you really are in order to make you look bad. Who knew they had places where people can go and shoot up drugs? I guess that’s Vancouver for you, land of the walking zombies.

    Kratom has the exact same effects as opiates, only weaker. If opiate users wanted to use weed instead, they probably wouldn’t need you to deliver it to them. My guess is that an opiate addict probably has a connection for weed too, or is it your theory that they only use opiates because they couldn’t get weed?

    Some of your points about the Single Convention make sense. I’ll give you credit for that. Openly selling weed and shrooms is still obviously going to result in you going to jail, if not this time then the next time. You might be able to talk this particular judge out of it but what about the next one and the one after that?

    Now here’s a defense that may actually work. Simply argue that because the police allow companies to sell viable Cannabis seed on the Internet (based in Canada) and in stores (VSC), by all appearances Canada has no serious interest in preventing Cannabis cultivation and use. How could anyone think otherwise? Then you say that you did the same thing they do every day, sell Cannabis (as viable seed is classified). There is no distinction in the CDSA between buds and viable seed. If they can sell seed openly in stores, it is unreasonable and unfair to imprison you for the same activity.

    On the shroom charge, you could argue that since mushrooms grow wild in BC and since the authorities make no attempt whatsoever to eradicate them, it is unreasonable to imprison you for picking them and sharing them with others. Again, there is a double message being sent. Either magic mushrooms are a danger to the citizenry, in which case they should be removed from Canadian soil to as great a degree as possible. You could also say that there is no way to tell if a mushroom is hallucinogenic other than eating it. It was unreasonable to expect you to be an expert on mushrooms and be able to discern a hallucinogenic one from a normal one. That would be hard to believe in your particular case, but as a general defense by others caught with shrooms it seems valid to me.

  292. David Malmo-Levine on

    “Perhaps self preservation isn’t an interest of his.”

    I am totally interested in self-preservation. I am also a student of history. I have noticed that scapegoats that fight back with educational campaigns do far better than the ones that keep their heads down and hope for the best.

    I like your Margaret Mead quote … I use it often.

  293. David Malmo-Levine on

    “Cannabis legalization is a huge law change. You’re like a person trying to cut down a tree with a nail clipper.”

    “Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world; indeed it’s the only thing that ever has.”

    Margaret Mead (1901-1978), American Anthropologist

  294. David Malmo-Levine on

    “Cannabis traffickers rarely hurt anyone but that doesn’t seem to make much impression on the judges.”

    Defendants rarely make the case that they themselves are harmless. I have been told that I am before one of the least flower-o-phobic judges in all of Vancouver, so we shall see what he does when he does it.

    “(2) Those are all good things to have done. Too bad one of those herbs happened to be classified as a controlled narcotic by every major nation on Earth though.”

    I’m not challenging the law. I’m challenging the notion that I require punishment. There’s a big difference between the two.

    “Sounds like a novel idea, selling weed to raise funds to get it legalized. I’m sure the judge will see the merit in that.”

    Senator Nolin found merit in it … as did the last two judges I faced on trafficking charges – who knows … this judge could be persuaded by that reasoning as well.

    “You could always try to convince Canada to drop out of the Single Convention. The other 143 signatory UN nations won’t have a problem with that or anything.”

    From my upcoming article on Decrim:

    The drug treaties have some sovereignty exceptions you could drive a Dutch pot café through and other medical and scientific exceptions that nobody has attempted to use yet. The treaties can be amended or withdrawn from without penalty. Human rights treaties may very well trump drug control treaties if they are ever weighed in court:

    According to more than one leading legal expert on the subject, the 1961 Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs, the 1971 Convention on Psychotropic Substances and the 1988 Convention on Prohibition Against Trafficking are – on the surface – all about prohibiting the sale of cannabis and other “dangerous” drugs, but in reality these treaties are rife with exceptions that would allow for almost any type of legal cannabis cultivation and distribution model to exist. (8) The most surprising fact about the treaties is that Holland has signed all of them. (9) By arguing that “expediency” (meaning “it just works better this way”) is part of Dutch sovereignty, and sovereignty is explicitly guaranteed in all the treaties, Holland has determined it can have as many cannabis cafes as it wants without having to amend or withdraw from the treaties. Arguably all countries are as sovereign as Holland and expediency applies in every case – but Holland is the only country that as stated so publicly. Arguably Holland could apply the sovereignty/expediency principle to cultivation and importation, but they have yet to do so.

    Article 4 .c of the 1961 Treaty specifies that “Subject to the provisions of this Convention, to limit exclusively to medical and scientific purposes the production, manufacture, export, import, distribution of, trade in, use and possession of drugs.” (10) Isn’t all cannabis use “medical”? Joints don’t magically become “non-medicine” in mid air when a sick person passes one to a healthy person. Arguably, all it would take to legalize all cannabis production, manufacture, export, import, distribution, use and possession in Canada is an acknowledgement by the courts and/or Parliament that “recreation” or “social” drug use – what is currently seen as “non-medicinal” drug use – is actually a form of “preventive medicine” in that it’s an informal treatment for stress, depression and fatigue.

    Article 47 of the 1961 Treaty allows a party to propose an amendment to the Convention. Article 46 allows a party to withdraw its consent from the Convention by formally denouncing it. There are no penalties specified for these actions in either of these articles. (11)

    According to Glenn Gilmour of the Canadian Foundation for Drug Policy;
    “In addition to these international conventions dealing with drug use, there are a number of other international human rights conventions to which Canada is a signatory. It is essential to keep those in mind as well. … The argument would be that, consistent with our heritage as a people who believe in fundamental rights, the provisions of these international human rights treaties should be taken into account in determining the full scope to which we should be entering into drug conventions; international trafficking treaties and the like.” (12)

    Mr. Gilmore mentions the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights of 1966 as one of the treaties that Canada should use to temper the Drug control treaties with. Arguably there are passages within the Universal Declaration of Human Rights treaty of 1948, the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide treaty of 1948 and The United Nations 1956 Supplementary Convention on the Abolition of Slavery, the Slave Trade, and Institutions and Practices Similar to Slavery treaty that also may outweigh the drug control treaties – or at least permit a reevaluation of Canada’s obligations under the drug control treaties.

    “A better strategy for you might be to say you’re a THC addict (they have it classified as a narcotic, after all) and that you need treatment instead of jail time and then cite the Single Convention section which encourages that.”

    You try that one out yourself and tell us all how it goes. I’m an “autonomy addict” and I don’t need treatment for my intelligent preference for an ethical job selling cannabis and mushrooms and opium over selling more dangerous drugs like coffee, alcohol and tobacco.

    “Maybe, but as I said before, no Cannabis trafficker has harmed people, well other than maybe psychotic ones.”

    Proof?

    “You may have been attempting to prevent a harm from happening but you didn’t necessarily have to break the law to do it.”

    If the government had ignored LeDain for 27 years and the Senate Report for 7 years, what other choice did I have?

    “Mushrooms aren’t viewed as being quite as benign as Cannabis though.”

    Proof?

    “Personally, I think the shrooms may be your downfall in this case.”

    It’s a good thing I have a Harvard medicine professor to testify to all of this, then:

    1. I, Lester Grinspoon, along with James B. Bakalar, am the co-author of the book “Psychedelic Drugs Reconsidered”. In it we discuss, among other things, various types of “magic mushrooms”.

    2. According to the best experts in the field, the psilocybin mushroom – of which Mr. Malmo-Levine has pleaded guilty of trafficking – is “prized for gentleness” (PDR, p. 80)

    3. The effects of psilocybin mushrooms are similar to the effects of LSD. (PDR, p. 76) The effects of psilocybin are described as “more strongly visual, less intense, and more euphoric, with fewer panic reactions and less chance of paranoia” than LSD. (PDR, p. 17)

    4. One of the hazards of the black market is that sometimes “magic mushrooms” are simply regular mushrooms that have been adulterated with LSD. (PDR, p. 76) Mushrooms adulterated with LSD can vary greatly in potency. This may provide a stronger effect than the user was intending and/or interfere with the ability of the user to dose themselves correctly.

    5. The ancient Mexican name for this type of mushroom is “teonanacatl”, which means “flesh of the gods”. (PDR, p. 17) It was used in religious rituals and is still used today for vision-seeking, to “transcend” the triviality or absurdity of every-day life, to dream while awake, to travel in space and time, to become one with the universe. (PRD, pp. 12-13)

    6. Like cannabis, these magic mushrooms are as safe as most herbal tea and a reasonable distribution model of the future should be one that emphasizes education, quality control, the correct setting and mindset and knowledge of the expected effects – similar to the organization I understand Mr. Malmo-Levine to have facilitated. To my knowledge no person has ever died of eating too many of these mushrooms.

    Information on toxicity:

    http://www.shroomery.org/9122/How-many-dried-mushrooms-would-I-have-to-eat-to-die-from-an-overdose-of-psilocybin

    Risk Assessment Report Related to Paddos – CAM (the Netherlands), Feb 2000
    http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms.shtml

    “it seems that personal experimentation with hallucinogenic mushrooms by thousands of individuals over the past 17 years has not caused a single reported death. Ott (1978) reported that one would virtually have to consume an amount of mushrooms equal to one’s own body weight in order to bring about death.”
    http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_journal5.shtml

    “I may be pathetic but I’m not going around trying to get people to help me get off a prison sentence after selling drugs next to an addiction center, which had very predictable results.”

    It wasn’t an “addiction center” – it was a supervised injection site. Big difference. These people were not trying to quit taking drugs – they were trying to take hard drugs more safely. I could only be responsible for taking people who were determined to keep using meth and smack and get them interested in using herbs instead.

    By attempting to pretend I was taking people who were trying to quit drugs and diverting them into taking drugs you PROVE you are pathetic. Don’t you have anything better to do?

    “Trust me, those addicts don’t want your help to get off drugs.”

    I wasn’t trying to get them off drugs … I was trying to get them to switch to safer, cheaper, more effective drugs. They need access to those drugs in order to do that – there were very few places – if any – they could get that access.

    “They could get their Methadone and their weed in a single trip.”

    You can’t get “Methadone” at Insite – it’s not a methadone distribution center. It’s a place to shoot hard drugs in a safe, clean and supervised setting:

    http://supervisedinjection.vch.ca/

    “If you really wanted to help opiate addicts you would sell or give them Kratom instead of weed.”

    Why would I do that? It’s not famous for it’s pain-killing effects like cannabis is – in fact it appears to be more of an aphrodisiac than an analgesic. It also has withdrawal symptoms more severe than cannabis. It seems like it’s legality – not it’s efficacy – is the reason it is being researched as an aid to opiate withdrawal instead of cannabis:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kratom

    Most opiate addicts tell me that cannabis works for them. Why would I ignore their feedback just to be obedient to an irrational law against cannabis? If Kratom was actually more effective than cannabis people would ask for it or seek it out but they don’t – they seek cannabis. If people asked for it I would provide it but they didn’t.

    “It’s wasn’t really a school or a museum but a weed store where you can be assured of good quality at fair prices.”

    It was BOTH plus more. You don’t read my responses very carefully, or you are purposefully attempting to confuse the issue. I said it wasn’t JUST education. You are now pretending that the word JUST wasn’t in my response. You suck.

    “Oh, I think I am doing a bang up job of hoisting stigma upon you.”

    You suck at it. If this was your job you would be fired by now. You’ve gotten almost everything completely wrong. You need to do more research.

  295. Anonymous on

    How refreshing, a person who doesn’t call me names. Maybe legalization for personal use is possible. This page explains that the Single Convention may not apply to personal use http://www.schmoo.co.uk/cannabis/trust/unconvention.htm

  296. Anonymous on

    I don’t deny that Cannabis prohibition is unnecessary. I just deny that it is realistic to think that you can change that. It may gradually happen, but not within your or my lifetime. How is DML going to change what 144 nations have agreed to implement? It’s just not going to happen. You will either have to adapt to the fact that Cannabis and other drugs are illegal now and will stay that way for the foreseeable future or get used to spending a lot of time behind bars. Even changing little laws is extremely difficult. Cannabis legalization is a huge law change. You’re like a person trying to cut down a tree with a nail clipper.
    Just do like sensible people do, gripe about how unfair drug laws are and spark up a dank one. Soon, you won’t feel so cranky anymore. And incidentally I’m not self righteous, I’m realistic. If you sell drugs openly you’ll get caught and have to go through a bunch of unpleasant legal stuff and quite possibly get locked up, therefore don’t sell drugs openly. That’s not self righteousness, it’s common sense. Do the things you want to do, like raising funds to try to change Cannabis laws, just do it in a way that you’re less likely to face negative consequences. It’s known as self preservation. You and Marc should take a few classes in it.

  297. Anonymous on

    I must first object to being referred to as “retard” by one commenter of crass character. Name calling is far beneath my level, of course. Now in response to Mr. Malmo-Levine’s comments;

    “Forgive me for getting your defense theory wrong. So it is really that selling weed and shrooms was a good thing because people were educated and the funds went back into the community.”

    I outlined my reasoning for you. You could just cut and paste it and respond to it. I will find it for you and do it again so you don’t have the opportunity to mischaracterize my defense again:

    My defense is that 1) I didn’t hurt anyone and 2) I was being helpful by educating about drugs, cultivating herbs and drugwar history and offering good herbs at a good price and 3) I put the profits back into the local community and the fight against the REAL crime – drug prohibition.

    (1)Cannabis traffickers rarely hurt anyone but that doesn’t seem tomake much impression on the judges. (2)Those are all good things to have done. Too bad one of those herbs happened to be classified as a controlled narcotic by every major nation on Earth though. (3) Sounds like a novel idea, selling weed to raise funds to get it legalized. I’m sure the judge will see the merit in that. It makes perfect sense, you just have to make sure you don’t get arrested and thrown in jail before you’ve raised enough to actually get it legalized because that would slow down the fund raising effort a little. I wonder how much money it will take to convince the UN to change their view on Cannabis. My guess is that you’d need to sell a few tons to accomplish that, if it’s even possible. You could always try to convince Canada to drop out of the Single Convention. The other 143 signatory UN nations won’t have a problem with that or anything. The US wouldn’t complain about it, would they? Here’s a quote about the Single Convention, so people will know what I’m talking about here;

    “The Single Convention extends the control system over the opium poppy to the coca bush and the cannabis plant. Governments must uproot and destroy wild and illegally cultivated coca bushes and cannabis plants. Parties are furthermore required to ban opium smoking and eating, coca-leaf chewing, and cannabis smoking and ingestion. A transition period is provided to overcome any difficulties that might arise for those who use such plants or drugs in ancient rituals. Countries may reserve the right to permit the quasi-medical use of opium and coca leaves as well as the nonmedical use of cannabis.

    The Single Convention encourages parties to provide assistance and treatment to drug addicts. This provision distinguishes the agreement from previous international drug-control treaties, which focused exclusively on curbing the illicit flow of drugs.” http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G2-3403100422.html

    A better strategy for you might be to say you’re a THC addict (they have it classified as a narcotic, after all) and that you need treatment instead of jail time and then cite the Single Convention section which encourages that. Maybe the judge will buy it and all you’ll have to do is sit through a bunch of Dr. Drew type stuff for a few months

    You shouldn’t leave any of those elements out – they are all important.

    “Where is the section of the CDSA that says the sentence should be based on the motives of the trafficker and what he did with the money?”

    “Harm” – or lack of harm – are elements in sentencing. If I can prove that 1) I did no harm, and 2) I was attempting to stop a harm from happening, that will go a long way in preventing the judge from harming me (it’s worked for me in the past):

    Maybe, but as I said before, no Cannabis trafficker has harmed people, well other than maybe psychotic ones. You may have been attempting to prevent a harm from happening but you didn’t necessarily have to break the law to do it. What made you think selling drugs was the only way to raise money to try to get Canada to drop out of the Single Convention?
    Actually, you probably could talk a judge out of a prison term if all you did was sell a small amount of Cannabis. Mushrooms aren’t viewed as being quite as benign as Cannabis though. Those things can warp your mind pretty severely. I’ve done shrooms and I can tell you that they are not to be taken lightly. A person could easily get hurt in that state if they were walking around in a city full of cars and things were distorting all around them. You need proper supervision for something like that. Personally, I think the shrooms may be your downfall in this case.

    Section 718 of the Criminal Code deals with the purpose and principles of sentencing.

    (e) to provide reparations for harm done to victims or to the community; and

    (f) to promote a sense of responsibility in offenders, and acknowledgment of the harm done to victims and to the community.

    http://www.johnhoward.ab.ca/PUB/C33.htm#purp

    There’s also this defense of necessity, found in Sect. 8(3) of the criminal code:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necessity#Canada

    I have even found a case where necessity was used – successfully – by political protesters to justify civil disobedience.

    “You knew it was illegal to sell those things and yet you went ahead and did it anyway. Couldn’t you have sold lemonade to raise funds?”

    You’re joking, right? Lemonade next to the Supervised injection site? I wanted to not only raise money but get people off hard drugs – give those who needed it most access to good quality herbs at a fair price, hire young people and local artists in the community and make people take a one hour walking tour AND raise more than 50 cents per day. Your fuckt-up analysis of my defense can only take place if you don’t quote my entire defense. You are totally pathetic.

    Oh I see, I’m totally pathetic am I? There’s that DML charm coming through again. I may be pathetic but I’m not going around trying to get people to help me get off a prison sentence after selling drugs next to an addiction center, which had very predictable results. They should help you because it’s no fault of your own that you are in this predicament, right?
    Trust me, those addicts don’t want your help to get off drugs. They know how to get off drugs. It’s no big secret. You stop taking them. I’m sure they appreciated the weed store conveniently located next to the addiction center though. They could get their Methadone and their weed in a single trip. If you really wanted to help opiate addicts you would sell or give them Kratom instead of weed. That might actually be of some help to an opiate addict trying to get clean. It has the added bonus of being legal.

    “Couldn’t you have taught people about herbs without having them consume them?”

    The point of the Herb School wasn’t just education – it was providing the service of ACCESS. If you buy cannabis on the street, you only get one strain to choose from, it’s often sketchy quality and you are usually over-charged (they don’t weigh it in front of you) – if you have a problem with it they are probably not going to be there the next day so there’s no accountability.

    oh,oh,oh, I get it now. It’s wasn’t really a school or a museum but a weed store where you can be assured of good quality at fair prices. That’s different. That strips away all the pretensions. I’m sure the judge will agree that it really is abominable how the quality of weed on the streets has declined of late while prices remain high. If that’s not injustice, what is? Who will save us from the unscrupulous schwag dealers? You, sir, are truly a hero. If only we could get fine upstanding weed dealers like you to open up weed stores next to all addiction centers in the country, their problems would be over. Maybe the judge will even help you set up your next store.

    “Does sex ed class teach sex ed by having the students bonk each other?”

    Think of it more like cooking class. You learn how to prepare food but if you don’t taste it you’re not really learning anything.

    Imagine if half the food we consume today was illegal – a “Food School” set up to combat that food prohibition would be totally justified in allowing the students to taste what they were learning about – especially if they had an innate right to eat anything they wanted to and especially if that food was actually more healthy than the legal food.

    Do you believe in human autonomy? Or should humanity resign themselves to being livestock?

    Keep ignoring my questions … keep mis-characterizing my argument … keep coming back for more – you’re only solidifying my support from those who are reading this … you’re doing a crappy job of hoisting stigma upon me.

    Oh, I think I am doing a bang up job of hoisting stigma upon you. I got a whole bag of stigma right here with your name on it.

  298. David Malmo-Levine on

    “You shouldn’t debase yourself and give this retard a purpose by responding like this.”

    There are many retards out there – by responding to this one I respond to them all.

    “I don’t see politicians at any level defending themselves via the comment boxes on stories about themselves.”

    That’s because most politicians are unaccountable and do not serve the people. We should always set a good example for others, not follow the bad example of politicians.

    “If you’re going to be the media, don’t give the impression that you’re part of your own audience.”

    I am a speaker of truths. The truth can always be questioned. If it is the truth, you should be able to defend it. The problem I have with people in authority is they believe they don’t have to defend their opinions – they just state them once and then refuse to “debase” themselves with having to back up what they say. I don’t operate that way, nor do I respect people who do operate that way.

    “You guys should get some volunteers to check comments and delete the trolls.”

    Google the words “Let truth and falsehood grapple” – if I was to delete the comments of the trolls it would not eliminate the attitudes that are still out there – those attitudes led to his/her comments – only by constantly defending my actions do my actions gain legitimacy and those attitudes slowly change.

    “Yeah, you don’t want to be jerks like the ndp, suppressing opposition, etc., but your opponents use those kind of tactics because they work against your own when we troll them, it’s not fair that the opponents trolls are allowed to function unhindered.”

    We don’t “troll” them, we speak the truth to them. Do you think the troll is actually having the effect he intended? Is he very convincing to you? He doesn’t seem to be convincing anyone else here – certainly nobody who signs their name.

    “Most prohibitionist sites don’t have comment sections at all, actually, because they have so little public support the comments are almost always against them.”

    It’s also because their information is based upon lies and requires a lack of criticism to exist at all. Why should we follow the bad example of the prohibitionists – aren’t we in possession of the actual truth? If it is the truth, can’t it be successfully defended in the arena of ideas?

    I think I have more faith in the truth than you do.

    This troll is allowing me to get my thoughts in order so that I can write an effective speech to the judge – he is providing me with a great service. I hope he keeps coming back and re-affirming the fact that he’s a liar and doesn’t have a leg to stand on.

  299. Anonymous on

    Actually I think this debate is verry usefull Daniel.
    If you watch carefully, “the cop” or “dibble” or whoever he is, is sitting there with as much heart, soul and compassion in his postings as does David.
    Try reasoning from out his point of view yourself, It’s just incredible how a person has denied reality to himselves for such a long time.
    Basicly all “the cop” says is that he is higher then david, whereas the law states that (quote) “by law we are all equal.

  300. David Malmo-Levine on

    “Forgive me for getting your defense theory wrong. So it is really that selling weed and shrooms was a good thing because people were educated and the funds went back into the community.”

    I outlined my reasoning for you. You could just cut and paste it and respond to it. I will find it for you and do it again so you don’t have the opportunity to mischaracterize my defense again:

    My defense is that 1) I didn’t hurt anyone and 2) I was being helpful by educating about drugs, cultivating herbs and drugwar history and offering good herbs at a good price and 3) I put the profits back into the local community and the fight against the REAL crime – drug prohibition.

    You shouldn’t leave any of those elements out – they are all important.

    “Where is the section of the CDSA that says the sentence should be based on the motives of the trafficker and what he did with the money?”

    “Harm” – or lack of harm – are elements in sentencing. If I can prove that 1) I did no harm, and 2) I was attempting to stop a harm from happening, that will go a long way in preventing the judge from harming me (it’s worked for me in the past):

    Section 718 of the Criminal Code deals with the purpose and principles of sentencing.

    (e) to provide reparations for harm done to victims or to the community; and

    (f) to promote a sense of responsibility in offenders, and acknowledgment of the harm done to victims and to the community.

    http://www.johnhoward.ab.ca/PUB/C33.htm#purp

    There’s also this defense of necessity, found in Sect. 8(3) of the criminal code:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necessity#Canada

    I have even found a case where necessity was used – successfully – by political protesters to justify civil disobedience.

    “You knew it was illegal to sell those things and yet you went ahead and did it anyway. Couldn’t you have sold lemonade to raise funds?”

    You’re joking, right? Lemonade next to the Supervised injection site? I wanted to not only raise money but get people off hard drugs – give those who needed it most access to good quality herbs at a fair price, hire young people and local artists in the community and make people take a one hour walking tour AND raise more than 50 cents per day. Your fuckt-up analysis of my defense can only take place if you don’t quote my entire defense. You are totally pathetic.

    “Couldn’t you have taught people about herbs without having them consume them?”

    The point of the Herb School wasn’t just education – it was providing the service of ACCESS. If you buy cannabis on the street, you only get one strain to choose from, it’s often sketchy quality and you are usually over-charged (they don’t weigh it in front of you) – if you have a problem with it they are probably not going to be there the next day so there’s no accountability.

    “Does sex ed class teach sex ed by having the students bonk each other?”

    Think of it more like cooking class. You learn how to prepare food but if you don’t taste it you’re not really learning anything.

    Imagine if half the food we consume today was illegal – a “Food School” set up to combat that food prohibition would be totally justified in allowing the students to taste what they were learning about – especially if they had an innate right to eat anything they wanted to and especially if that food was actually more healthy than the legal food.

    Do you believe in human autonomy? Or should humanity resign themselves to being livestock?

    Keep ignoring my questions … keep mis-characterizing my argument … keep coming back for more – you’re only solidifying my support from those who are reading this … you’re doing a crappy job of hoisting stigma upon me.

  301. Anonymous on

    Courts should take place live on the internet for this reason, a thing we as a people should demand or otherwise create ourselves.

  302. Anonymous on

    …and quess why…

    Think about what genre of cops he represents.

    This cop is só well exercised in hitting and kicking underneath the belt, and knowing so exactly what his opponent is supposed to feel and fear in order to tumble him down.
    Might work in a real time situation verry well for the cop, but right now and here David has the time and peace to overcome these fears while focusing on the true lill innervoice deep inside his heart.
    Job verry well done Dave, so far.

    Lots of respect for ya!

  303. Anonymous on

    I should add that if you weren’t such a rude person I might actually feel some empathy for you. Frankly, I think prison is probably a good place for you. When you get there, be sure to speak to Bubba like that. I hear it turns him on.

  304. Anonymous on

    Forgive me for getting your defense theory wrong. So it is really that selling weed and shrooms was a good thing because people were educated and the funds went back into the community. Where is the section of the CDSA that says the sentence should be based on the motives of the trafficker and what he did with the money? You knew it was illegal to sell those things and yet you went ahead and did it anyway. Couldn’t you have sold lemonade to raise funds? Couldn’t you have taught people about herbs without having them consume them? Does sex ed class teach sex ed by having the students bonk each other? I can see why you haven’t been accepted as a school teacher yet.

  305. Anonymous on

    The drug war is one of the most oppressive violations of personal liberty I’ve ever seen. You are doing great work. Thank you for the information. Good luck in court!!

  306. David Malmo-Levine on

    …. can’t record stuff in a courtroom.

    Perhaps we can get Bob High to come in and do a cartoon and I can write a blog about it for the first two of the three days … or all three if I don’t get sent to jail on Oct. 2nd

  307. David Malmo-Levine on

    “There are no other ingredients to opium than poppy juice and alcohol.”

    Sorry folks … that should read “There are no other ingredients to LAUDNUM than poppy juice and alcohol.”

  308. David Malmo-Levine on

    “If only the “selling drugs for educational purposes” defense were effective.”

    That’s not my defense. Perhaps if you quote me from now on you won’t get everything wrong again and again.

    My defense is that 1) I didn’t hurt anyone and 2) I was being helpful by educating about drugs, cultivating herbs and drugwar history and offering good herbs at a good price and 3) I put the profits back into the local community and the fight against the REAL crime – drug prohibition.

    “I wish you well with the case but I can’t foresee you getting off without some jail time.”

    What do you know about sentencing?

    “If it was just Cannabis, maybe, but you’ve got Cannabis, hallucinogenic mushrooms and opium involved here.”

    Cannabis and psilocybin mushrooms never killed anyone, and are both easy to learn to use properly.

    I was not charged with distributing opium.

    “I think you subconsciously want to go to jail, I really do.”

    So you are telling me you honestly think it’s safer for scapegoats to not fight back, not educate about the lies surrounding them and wait patiently for their rulers to stop putting them in jail?

    What would you suggest I do about the drug war … a letter-writing campaign?

    “I think your life was going so smoothly that you felt like it was time to get in trouble with the law and what better way than to openly traffic narcotics and hallucinogens? That usually works.”

    Since it’s obvious from all the things you got wrong about me and the herb school you’ve never met me before – your “insights” into my psyche are lame.

    Let’s talk about YOU for a minute. What is going so wrong in your life that you have to lie about a harmless, helpful cannabis activist repeatedly in the comment section of a pro-cannabis pro-freedom website? Seriously … did your mother not give you any love as a child?

  309. David Malmo-Levine on

    “You might want to go to http://www.poppies.org and check you facts on opium.”

    Why? Have I got any of my facts wrong?

    It looks like a cool site. Thanks for the link.

  310. Anonymous on

    If only the “selling drugs for educational purposes” defense were effective. I wish you well with the case but I can’t foresee you getting off without some jail time. If it was just Cannabis, maybe, but you’ve got Cannabis, hallucinogenic mushrooms and opium involved here. I think you subconsciously want to go to jail, I really do. I think your life was going so smoothly that you felt like it was time to get in trouble with the law and what better way than to openly traffic narcotics and hallucinogens? That usually works.

  311. Brian Kerr on

    Dave

    You might want to go to http://www.poppies.org and check you facts on opium. If the forum is open to outsiders check out the forum on Addiction and Recovery at poppies.org.

    Just saying.

    Brian Kerr

  312. weedboy on

    Dave, I have been following your debate here. Thank-you for all this info. This anonymous dude is just grasping at straws, haha. The “angry anonymous boy” is just pulling discriminating shit out of his ass, and you are just stating facts. Very entertaining. Good luck with your court.

  313. Anonymous on

    At least YOU’ll be fine, I know, No worries.

    I’ll be looking out for your updates. Thanks in advance.

  314. David Malmo-Levine on

    … in a court of law.

    I can, however, give a couple of updates in the discussion forums on Sept. 30 and Oct. 1 – and perhaps Oct. 2 if things go well.

  315. Anonymous on

    i dont think the cop thought that pot actually kills people, i think he believes that jail is a safe place, that way he sleeps well at night for mixing up pot heads with real criminals. i guess he thinks there are no drugs in jail too. you cops have zero chance at eradicating mans urge to get himself high.

    they didnt bust you for something you did to harm anyone.
    this is why they need to lump all these other bad things along with the use of pot so they can keep the law alive and lucrative for themselves. part of your sentence comes from pot causing cancer, which it dont. part of it comes from them sometimes finding guns with pot, which in your case it didnt. part of it comes from you might go crazy from pot even if you never did. mould chemicals, higher THC.. its all just here-say, no science to prove so, no evidence of much harm and no dead bodies.
    go and do a lung test compare it to a smoker and a drinker and ask why the penalty?

    adress all these things they have used to increase the penalties over the years and ask for the proof of any of it in your case to justify such a sentence.

    even if you were helping people and trying to change an unjust law they busted you to silence you and shut the movement down. you are educating people about the drug war and that could result in a lot of money being taken away from certain departments. its about cruising on through with bill C-15 so the politicians friends can all stick their heads in the tax money trough. the fact remains that the penalties have always been way harsh enough and no new evidence has been brought to the table to allow them to increase them every few years for decades.

    its no wonder the cop mentions you working for marc. thats what they see you being guilty and in need of jail and lucky for them your doing something illegal.

    without prohibition the cop would have to do something more meaningful to get his payday. i doubt there are any cops left that really believe throwing pot people in jail for only doing pot things is fair or in the least worthwhile.
    no matter how much money we divert from better causes to pay these cops and prisons and legal system to tread on the pot people it dont make a dam difference in useage and never will but it keeps the money rolling in and it keeps the politicians scoring votes. the anti pot laws began with racism and corruption and lies and hysteria and it continues to this day. it was always about sifting some more money from the budgets and divying it out.

    the whole system has to be challenged and the only way i can see this happening is to force a judge to acknowledge that what you did does not deserve the heavy weighted sentences. ask them to prove the harm they charge you for. you should be innocent of any harm. if you didnt steal, damage property, harm others or harm yourself then you should be set free. if someone want to charge someone for breaking someones neck, they should show proof of that broken neck. im sure you have enough information about you by now to blow away ANY of the supposed harms that cannabis causes and put that into context with what is deemed legal. this is before mandatory sentencing ya know. the strangest thing about mandatory minimums is that canada checked it all with the senate report and now they want to take the judges decision or discretion out of it and lump everyone in together. you heard the politicians answer to libby davies “im sure the money is there for it” with zero evidence of any of these things being at all effective.

  316. Anonymous on

    David, is there any way you can inform us of the actual happenings during the event.
    I mean, will there be any kind of recording that’s possible to show off here on your blog?

  317. David Malmo-Levine on

    “Oh, well let us bow in shame because we were incorrect concerning the specific variety of the controlled substance you huffed before going into the Supreme Court to lose your case,..”

    Not “variety” but rather “volume of dose”.

    “I was away that day at Narc College when we learned about pre court hash huffing to wake up & focus the minds of the accused.”

    You’ve been wrong about dozens of things. I think you must have skipped class the entire year.

    “Vancouver pot growers un -natural concentrate of cannabis tri-chromes…”

    “trichome”, not “tri-chRome”:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trichome

    What’s unnatural about concentrates of cannabis trichomes?

    “…with un- naturally enriched ratios of THC…”

    Breeding is not “unnatural” – breeding is quite natural.

    “Another known fact of alternative herbal science is when they pull this sort of crap in court…”

    What do you mean by “alternative herbal science” – do you mean “herbalism”?

    The way I see it “herbalism” has been around for thousands of years and is still the method 80 percent of human beings get their medicine … if anything it’s the allopathic doctors who are the “alternative” medicine practitioners.

    “if they are repeat convicted drug trafficker offenders and they are way older than 21 years- they get shot down. aka LOSE THEIR CASE”

    I don’t know of any other drug traffickers who have Senators and Professors of Medicine from Harvard with statements and testimony of support.

    “just the way you wanted You have already started the plea bargaining process…”

    How do you figure that? I’m asking for zero punishment and will appeal any decision that involves any punishment.

    “After all, you are guilty- and say so- you might as well just say so in court as they zip up your orange jump suit”

    I’ve already said so. That’s what a sentencing hearing is – it’s after you’ve been found guilty. You’re as ignorant in law as you are in medicine.

  318. David Malmo-Levine on

    The hearing starts at 9:30 AM and goes until 4:30 PM with a one-hour break for lunch. That’s for all three days – Sept. 30, Oct. 1 and Oct. 2.

    Don’t stand around outside and protest – come inside and watch – it may be entertaining and/or educational.

  319. David Malmo-Levine on

    “Spend that $100 on your Mom.”

    I think I’ll spend it on YOUR mom.

    Just like almost every other critic of mine – you’re too afraid to put your name and reputation behind your opinion. I may be right or I may be wrong, but I’ll never have to wonder what it’s like to be like you.

    You hide behind your keyboard, giving “advice” and spewing insults a to real person with a real name and a real reputation, safe knowing your own pathetic life isn’t able to be held up for comparison.

    I thought I would debate you and find out if you had any insights or new ideas or constructive criticism or anything that would help me improve my argument.

    All I found was another coward. Thanks for reminding me of just how pathetic an excuse for a human being the typical anonymous-yet-vocal proponent of prohibition is.

  320. Anonymous on

    I don’t think i would trust anyone you would trust.. your priorities o are questionable – your associaites are chemically compromised felons., the stakes you suggest are petty cash. The real game is whether you do time or not..priorities dave, not snit whims
    why would i fly across the continent to watch an overgrown teenager get his faced washed in a provincial court.. that was your clumsy I rebuffed way back there, yet you insist on this escalated onscreen. High Noon showdown Start without me….

    Looks like you value a $100 pride bet more than your frededom- maybe focus on getting your pre trial homework done and stop playing gunslinger anarchist cowboy . Do yourself a favour Bubblehash Kid- , get off the petty pot and maybe wean yourself from dope – law or not its making you stupid. Wake up and look around at the changing times that are passing you by. Why would you care what strangers on the internet say about your arguments? you have big job ahead of you convincing a judge to NOT to throw your repeat offender dope dog ass in jail.

    You and your boss Emery both are in deep shit – he’s going down for several years- and here, you are in shit up to your tits playing smilin’ jack asshole Its wearing a little thin.

    I’m doing you a favour. You can thank me later.
    Spend that $100 on your Mom.

  321. David Malmo-Levine on

    “Anarchy has been dead for 70 years-”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contemporary_anarchism

    “Nobody ever died from marijuana
    just like nobody ever died from going to jail”

    “THC has an extremely low toxicity and the amount that can enter the body through the consumption of cannabis plants poses no threat of death. … Indeed, a 1988 ruling from the United States Department of Justice concluded that “In practical terms, marijuana cannot induce a lethal response as a result of drug-related toxicity.”[13]”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_issues_and_the_effects_of_cannabis#Toxicity

    “In 2005/6, 182 prisoners died while under the supervision of the criminal justice system.”

    http://www.vcn.bc.ca/august10/politics/facts_stats.html

    http://www.toptenz.net/top-10-deadliest-prisons-world.php

  322. David Malmo-Levine on

    “How will you pay when you lose the bet?”

    You show up to my sentencing hearing and we both give $100 to a third person who we both trust.

    If I go to jail, you keep all the money. If I don’t, I keep all the money.

    This should work fine, unless you’re too chickenshit to show yourself in public.

  323. Officer Dibble on

    Just read the Wiki link about Anarchism in Spain.. well till it failed and the Commies spa]nked their sorry butts-Well Dave, you are just gonna L*O*V*E* Prison life, it’s just what you have been looking for – uncomplicated lifetsyle- Simple food doled out twice a day, rustic dorms of comrads farting in harmony , , shared toilets lift and there are no toilet seats to remember to put down because thats a capitalistr plot–, no evil capitalism temptations, simple meaningful work,,and safe- no body can harrm your progress because the armed guards are there to insure your safety,

    And you work for Marc Emery- the sleasiest highest profit margin capitalist money washer this continent has ever seen and then ratted out by his own partners to save their own sorry asses,, Admit it Dave, you are Emerys pet anarchist wanna be poodle..

    you will soon be looking at Bill C-15 in full operation
    and when it’s its strike three time Dave-
    Maybe think hard about playing the green haired clown pirate pharmacist
    Maybe smarten the fuck up before you turn 40
    Anarchy has been dead for 70 years-
    about as long as the pot laws have been in force,..

    Nobody ever died from marijuana
    just like nobody ever died from going to jail

  324. Anonymous on

    “I took a couple of hits off some bubble hash,” he said, explaining that
    the specially filtered cannabis resin helped him wake up and focus his mind.

    *************************************** David Malmo-Levive clarification

    Oh, well let us bow in shame because we were incorrect concerning the specific variety of the controlled substance you huffed before going into the Supreme Court to lose your case,

    It was “Bubble Hash” not ” Black Hash” – I was away that day at Narc College when we learned about pre court hash huffing to wake up & focus the minds of the accused. Well thanks for teaching me your ways

    Vancouver pot growers un -natural concentrate of cannabis tri-chromes with un- naturally enriched ratios of THC , ” Bubble hash ” is far stronger than all natural traditional full vegetive aspects intact black hash – thats a known fact of alternative herbal science. We apologize for the serious blunder in drug science and beg your bathtub science Phd , art gallery curator archivist dope empty dope bottle recyclers’ most gracious forgiveness. Amen Dave- you shall over come ( maybe just overcome the 60s )

    Another known fact of alternative herbal science is when they pull this sort of crap in court-and if they are repeat convicted drug trafficker offenders and they are way older than 21 years- they get shot down. aka LOSE THEIR CASE

    Thats what I learned on Google Dave.. maybe you have a different google than the rest of us do or have cognitive difficulties when there is no mirror handy.

    Jail will make you into the Nelson Mandella of dope – just the way you wanted You have already started the plea bargaining process- its all part of the kinder gentler 21st C pleading guilty . After all, you are guilty- and say so- you might as well just say so in court as they zip up your orange jump suit

  325. one12alpha on

    I just read this whole article and forum…and all I can think is Damn. At first I was turned off by the bickering between Dave and some of the posters here, and stopped….but I had to come back and finish reading, since it was so interesting to see Dave so adequately put a would be debate so strongly on his side.

    Originally, I was not all for your sale of opium, or shrooms, Dave. But after all this debate I can see where you’re coming from, and can see where my opinion was wrong. I suppose I was basing my opinion of them on propaganda-riffic info or just lack of knowledge. I guess I got so caught up in learning about marijuana, I forgot to educate myself on the rest. So far one thing has remained consistent, pharmaceuticals are full of $hit(emphasis on the dollar sign).

    Thanks for taking the time out of your day to quash the “arguments” against you. If your words fell on deaf ears to them, I was at least educated. I had no idea about the anarchy thing in Spain, and will look more into it.

    I hope your case goes well on your behalf. And for what its worth, I don’t think your an asshole. Just, rightfully, a bit defensive.

  326. Anonymous on

    Hmm, Small misunderstanding concerning the citing quotes, the former post was aimed at David.
    I’m not “the cop” anonimous, just one of your fans with a sincere interest.

  327. Anonymous on

    Yes, there is something more you can do; please share the report of your sentencing hearing as soon as you got it together on this blog.
    Thanks in advance.

  328. Anonymous on

    The truth is inconvenient.
    – Al Gore
    It’s reality that hurts.
    – Glenn Beck

  329. David Malmo-Levine on

    “If the truth hurts you’ll be in pain!

    If the truth drives you crazy you’ll be insane!”

    – Sista Soljah

  330. David Malmo-Levine on

    “You said it worked in Spain between 1936 and 1939, that’s three years.”

    Three years on a national level. But it can last a lifetime between two people (such as non-property marriage arrangements) or for decades in smaller communities (such as Christiania). And the reason it doesn’t last longer than three years on a national level is not because it falls apart on it’s own but rather because all of the bosses in the world feel threatened and team up to destroy it. Now … if it happened everywhere all at once, it might just last forever!

    You should read up on the history of anarchism before you decide it’s untenable:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_anarchism

    “And the Capitalist I was referring to was Michael Moore.”

    A capitalist is someone who believes in an economic system where exploitation is possible. Michael Moore is a film-maker and a successful one at that … he’s an entrepreneur, an artist and a businessman, but he is not a capitalist.

    Who does Michael Moore exploit?

    It appears that you don’t look too closely into the definition of the terms you use.

  331. Anonymous on

    Correct. But if you hurt their ears, they won’t hear you. No matter what you say.

  332. Anonymous on

    You said it worked in Spain between 1936 and 1939, that’s three years. And the Capitalist I was referring to was Michael Moore.

  333. David Malmo-Levine on

    It was a misinformation campaign that made cannabis illegal, and it will be a re-education campaign to make it legal again.

    You can hide under your sheets hoping someone else will save you, or you can take it upon yourself to educate yourself and those around you and save yourself.

  334. Anonymous on

    Wanna put money on that guess? I bet you 100 bucks you’re wrong. says DML

    How will you pay when you lose the bet? you will be in jail, asshole

  335. David Malmo-Levine on

    “A system that lasted 3 years”

    It is not obvious as to which system you are discussing. What system?

    “, and a devout capitalist. This is what and who you admire?”

    I don’t like capitalism, but as capitalists go, Marc is one of the good ones.

    Just as I don’t like slavery, but as slave-owners go, Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson were a couple of good ones.

  336. David Malmo-Levine on

    …. why don’t you attempt to answer my honest questions?

    I’ll tell you why (I suspect you’ll dodge that question too) … it’s because you are not interested in a search for the truth – you’re only interested in taking cheap shots at me.

  337. David Malmo-Levine on

    … it’s that I’ve asked you perfectly reasonable questions, and you are unable to answer them.

    Asking reasonable questions to the point where your debate partners run away without attempting to answer them is not a “waste of talent” if the issue you are debating is important.

    And given the fact that the prohibition of cannabis is the biggest war in the world (it’s a civil war in every country on earth) and given the fact that the prohibition of cannabis is the longest-running war in the world:

    http://www.cannabisculture.com/v2/node/19176

    …. then using one’s talent against the myths that support this drug war – myths that you yourself propagate – is NOT a waste of talent – it’s the best use of such talent.

  338. Anonymous on

    The court system is about two lawyers trying desperately to win. It has little to do with justice. If a prosecutor (lawyer) looses, he/she doesn’t advance—or will even be demoted, so they must win in order to maintain. A defense lawyer must win in order to be paid. Heaven forbid you get stuck with a Public Defender. (Remember O.J.)? There’s a difference between the court system and the penal system. There is truly no “justice system”. Many, many, people in that system shouldn’t be there in the first place; and that includes Mark Emery, David . . . and Will Foster.

  339. Anonymous on

    I’m not sure how much your side of things is relevant in a court of law, David. I’m from US but isn’t the court system all about silencing dissent or something? The courts and the laws cripple those subject to it and then move on. It all amounts to a few coupons for some cheeseburger slop for the prosecution. Eat up boys, easy slop chow for the greeze-mongers. I dunno how much of a choice the authorities have. Of course their ignorance will be used against you. There was an experiment where they proved that people will kill people if people in authority tell them to. They used actors as the subjects and they got these people to come in and gradually electrocute people to death, but it was done in a way that did not actually kill anyone. I’m not saying that the drug war is all bad but in some ways it does amount to using mass ignorance to control and manipulate people. They make a lot of money chasing drugs and get to ramp up military operations in their own country, get to play little war games, threaten people with violence and keep things escalated. From my perspective the violence of the drug war is sort of like racism. Whoever doesnt want to be their little sheep is the enemy, or maybe people who choose the path of the mystic or debauch are their enemy. I guess it’s an extension of the military complex, something somewhat opposed to the peace that spirituality may advocate. They make a killing man, lot of money $$

  340. Anonymous on

    Most powerfull blog I’ve ever seen.
    Got my own court comming next month and hell what are you an inspiration to me Dave.
    Also my compliments to your opponent “the Cop”. You are representing your genre verry well and I sincerely hope you’ll keep up the good fight.
    The more you both reveal the more we learn.
    Thanks guys.

  341. Anonymous on

    A system that lasted 3 years, and a devout capitalist. This is what and who you admire?

  342. Anonymous on

    David, I am not a troll, maybe I’m just disappointed in you.

  343. Anonymous on

    There is no reasoning with the unreasonable. Good luck with your stay in jail. Seriously, with all else said, what is unreasonable is that you’re facing this anyway, whatever I think of you personally. I just think you’re a misguided soul. And a total waste of talent.

  344. David Malmo-Levine on

    A great boxer will spar with lesser boxers to keep fit and sharp … they will even box with their own shadow.

    Similarly, a great debater will use the trolls as practice so that when an actual challenge happens (such as a cop in front of video cameras or a reporter in an interview) the response will have already been formulated.

    I enjoy teaching people things … it’s one form of recreation for me … don’t deny me this simple pleasure.

  345. David Malmo-Levine on

    “You know what words mean.”

    I didn’t ask “What ARE words?”, I asked “Which words do you believe I misuse?” Quote me … seriously.

    “And, of all people to look up to, why Michael Moore? Doesn’t he want our money?”

    You said Capitalism was the best system. Michael Moore is about to come out with a movie called “Capitalism: A Love Story” (the trailer of which I provided for you) and it rips apart the myth of capitalism being good for the majority of people within that system. Michael Moore released one of his movies on the internet for free (Slacker Uprising) so he’s interested in more than money.

    “And Government’s are conspirators, but 911, wasn’t a conspiracy.”

    Why do you believe that? There are many unanswered questions about 9/11 that a sane person would consider before endorsing the official story:

    http://www.911truth.org/ancien/questions.html

    http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20041221155307646

    http://story.malaysiasun.com/index.php/ct/9/cid/b8de8e630faf3631/id/544640/cs/1/

    http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2009/09/16/911-unanswered-questions/

    http://www.911independentcommission.org/questions.html

    http://www.apfn.org/APFN/WTC_questions.htm

    “It was Osama Bin-Laden.”

    If that is true, why doesn’t the FBI blame him for the 9/11 attacks?

    http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/terbinladen.htm

    “And, as for Anarchy, do you really think 6.8 billion people would just “get along”? wouldn’t a band of thugs arise to dominate and take, then create other bands of thugs. There can’t be rules without rulers.”

    It worked well enough in Spain between 1936 and 1939. I believe people can vote on solutions rather limit themselves to voting on other people. I believe consensus decision making can work on a large scale if you give everyone a veto and you give everyone the ability to raise concerns and you require that those concerns be addressed – or at least identified as “legit” or “not legit”. I believe you can have a justice system based upon the harm principle and deal with people who wish to harm others by mediation, restitution and (as a last resort) incarceration, while leaving the harmless people alone.

    Saying “there can’t be rules without rulers” is like saying “a man has to own a woman for a marriage to be successful”. Gradually over time, women have ceased to be the property of men and now enter into relationships with them where neither are the “rulers” of the other, and rules are created by consensus. You should learn about consensus before you claim anarchism is unworkable:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consensus_decision-making

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consensus_decision-making#Historical_examples

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consensus_decision-making#Models

  346. Jim on

    A shame this is happening to you Dave. Good luck with the fight. Please ignore the trolls on the forum. They have the intellect of a gnat and seem to find self worth off of making unfounded vitriolic comments.

    All the best!

  347. David Malmo-Levine on

    “We did some quick google on your name dave, it looks like all you do is sell dope, get stoned, take welfare and get arrested.”

    I was on welfare for 8 months … 11 years ago.

    When I Google my name I get the Supreme Court of Canada case I was self-represented in and articles I have written for Cannabis Cuture – you must have a different kind of Google than me.

    “Oh and act as president of your own a dope fan club, on and off again caretaker of Vancouver slum store front drug plant apologist hoard of old empty drug bottles and occassionally write sketchy, wordy ” gimme my dope” manifestos for going nowhere fast fringe publications..”

    Sketchy? Which one is sketchy? All my articles are well-sourced.

    “oh in nice weather ; street clown par excellence for Vancouver UIC smoke in parades, felon hugger and frequent guest star in provincial court. According to your arm tattoo, you only know one letter of the alphabet–Go Dave Go- yer on a roll”

    How can I be a writer and only know one letter of the alphabet?

    So what do I get when I Google YOUR name? Oh … that’s right … this game only goes one direction.

    “Maybe just register as a drug user at the nearest ploice station-,”

    The “A” on my arm stands for “Anarchist” (you should have Googled that too) – why would an anarchist register as a drug user at the nearest “ploice” station?

    ” get a mental health exemption card from the Feds to grow pot in your bathroom and smoke it whenever you feel the need to self medicate .”

    I would rather fight for the right of everyone to grow and sell cannabis – and to remove the red tape around industrial hemp growing.

    “The rest of us by far do not welcome a doped up future as you suggest..”

    Actually, that’s not true. A majority of Canadians favor legalized cannabis:

    http://frankdiscussion.netfirms.com/info_statistics.html

    As for being “doped-up” – have you ever been to Holland? I have. Twice. Their country wasn’t “doped up”, it was very productive … less crime … less problems with drunk people.

    “This is the point where you can parade old small sample telephone surveys and claim this is what Canada and the world supports your wonkie doped up view of herbs as the apex of evolution. We didn’t buy it them]n, and we;’re not buying it now.”

    My surveys come from reputable sources such as Angus Reid. Do you have any surveys that support retaining criminalization? What are their sources?

    “Bill C-15 coming to your neighborhood sooner than you think”

    So you are in favor of mandatory minimums for people who grow five plants?

    “//Dave our math says you are 37 years old”

    Your math is terrible. It’s as bad as your spelling. I give you an “F”. I’m 38.

    “… and we ask in all honesty- this is it? This is all you have pulled off during 20 years of Clownistic stunts and 420 honour guard duty as minister of absurd affairs for the Prince of Pot?”

    Let’s see … helped establish “Vansterdam” … made appearances in “The Prince of Pot”, “Escape to Canada” and “The Union” documentaries … built the Herb Museum … written dozens of articles for Cannabis Culture, Treating Yourself, High Times … created over 100 shows for Pot TV … published 19 issues of “Potshot” magazine … made many friends, visited many hot-springs, climbed Notre Dame cathedral in Paris, drove a bicycle stoned around Havana, made love to many beautiful women … what have YOU done with YOUR life? I think I spent my live quite well, thank you very much.

    “And here you are now- in deep shit as scruffy opium shooter bar tender to the stars of the safe injection site next door- full time petty pot dealer slum dog daddy of Scamcouver- during the height of that fair citys’ dryrot collapse”

    Collapse? You’ve got to be joking.

    “Vancouver is known for having clean air, water, and a panoramic view of beautiful mountains. It is considered to be one of the most livable cities in the world.[17][159][160][161] In 2009, The Economist ranked Vancouver first in quality of living and Mercer Human Resource Consulting, ranked it fourth, after Zürich, Vienna and Geneva.[162][163][164] On the other hand, in 2007, according to Forbes, Vancouver had the 6th most overpriced real estate market in the world and was second highest in North America after Los Angeles.[165][166] Vancouver has also been ranked Canada’s second most expensive city to live in after Toronto and the 89th most expensive globally.[167] In 2007, Vancouver was ranked as the 10th cleanest city in the world by Forbes.[168]”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vancouver#Quality_of_living

    “Our guess is you will behind bars in time for the olympics as a way to keep you from going blind from altercation based pepper spray..”

    Wanna put money on that guess? I bet you 100 bucks you’re wrong.

  348. Anonymous on

    You have a gift. You just choose to use it wrong. You know what words mean. And, of all people to look up to, why Michael Moore? Doesn’t he want our money? And Government’s are conspirators, but 911, wasn’t a conspiracy. It was Osama Bin-Laden. And, as for Anarchy, do you really think 6.8 billion people would just “get along”? wouldn’t a band of thugs arise to dominate and take, then create other bands of thugs. There can’t be rules without rulers.

  349. Anonymous on

    We did some quick google on your name dave, it looks like all you do is sell dope, get stoned, take welfare and get arrested. Oh and act as president of your own a dope fan club, on and off again caretaker of Vancouver slum store front drug plant apologist hoard of old empty drug bottles and occassionally write sketchy, wordy ” gimme my dope” manifestos for going nowhere fast fringe publications..oh in nice weather ; street clown par excellence for Vancouver UIC smoke in parades, felon hugger and frequent guest star in provincial court. According to your arm tattoo, you only know one letter of the alphabet–Go Dave Go- yer on a roll

    Maybe just register as a drug user at the nearest ploice station-, get a mental health exemption card from the Feds to grow pot in your bathroom and smoke it whenever you feel the need to self medicate . The rest of us by far do not welcome a doped up future as you suggest.. This is the point where you can parade old small sample telephone surveys and claim this is what Canada and the world supports your wonkie doped up view of herbs as the apex of evolution. We didn’t buy it them]n, and we;’re not buying it now.

    Bill C-15 coming to your neighborhood sooner than you think

    //Dave our math says you are 37 years old and we ask in all honesty- this is it? This is all you have pulled off during 20 years of Clownistic stunts and 420 honour guard duty as minister of absurd affairs for the Prince of Pot? And here you are now- in deep shit as scruffy opium shooter bar tender to the stars of the safe injection site next door- full time petty pot dealer slum dog daddy of Scamcouver- during the height of that fair citys’ dryrot collapse

    Our guess is you will behind bars in time for the olympics as a way to keep you from going blind from altercation based pepper spray..

  350. David Malmo-Levine on

    “It’s your words that hurt, not your deeds”

    Which words?

  351. David Malmo-Levine on

    “You seriously need to get in touch with reality. 911 was not committed by the Government.”

    Fires don’t send skyscrapers crashing into their own footprint at free-fall speed. Almost every war of the last hundred years was started with a false flag operation – why do you believe 9/11 to be any different?

    “Capitalism is flawed, but is the best system.”

    Michael Moore will prove you wrong.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhydyxRjujU

    I prefer systems that have more accountability than capitalism does.

    “Other systems are failed. Anarchy would produce kings.”

    Why do you believe that? So far Anarchy has only been tried on a country-wide scale once, and it was a smashing success:

    “Despite the critics clamoring for “maximum efficiency” rather than revolutionary methods, anarchist collectives often produced more than before the collectivization. In Aragon, for instance, the productivity increased by 20%.[7] The newly liberated zones worked on entirely libertarian principles; decisions were made through councils of ordinary citizens without any sort of bureaucracy (it should be noted that the CNT-FAI leadership was at this time not nearly as radical as the rank and file members responsible for these sweeping changes). In addition to the economic revolution, there was a spirit of cultural revolution. Traditions some viewed as oppressive were done away with. For instance, women were legally permitted to have abortions, and the idea of “free love” became widely prevalent. In many ways, this spirit of cultural liberation prefigured that of the “New Left” movements of the 1960s.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Revolution

    Spanish anarchism didn’t produce kings. It was so successful that every other government on the planet teamed up to destroy it lest it spread to the rest of the world and removed the kings, tyrants, representatives and other forms of hierarchy and replace them with meetings of free, equal people who shared power.

    “You spew venom.”

    Quote me.

    “And no David, I don’t really think you should be sent to jail.”

    That’s big of you.

    “You’re just an asshole who speaks with great distortion. You are after all a decent human being, just terribly misguided”

    You’re not convincing me.

  352. Anonymous on

    It’s your words that hurt, not your deeds

  353. Anonymous on

    You seriously need to get in touch with reality. 911 was not committed by the Government. Capitalism is flawed, but is the best system. Other systems are failed. Anarchy would produce kings. You spew venom. And no David, I don’t really think you should be sent to jail. You’re just an asshole who speaks with great distortion. You are after all a decent human being, just terribly misguided

  354. David Malmo-Levine on

    “If there is anything more I can do either as myself or with the green party I will be doing so.”

    Please come to my sentencing hearing! It’s on Sept. 30th, Oct. 1 and Oct. 2 at 222 Main St. beginning at 9:30 AM

  355. David Malmo-Levine on

    What exactly did I do wrong?

    Did I harm anyone?

    Or is it my disobedience that you dislike?

  356. Anonymous on

    You’re such an asshole. You NEED to go to jail.

  357. stu on

    I am a Vancouver resident who has SEEN first hand the condition of our Downtown East Side district (Location of the Herb School) on a daily basis. Now let’s be honest here, shall we? The use of hard drugs like crack and heroin is RAMPANT in this neighborhood.

    I wont get into details, but as a former heavy user of hard drugs and alcohol, I can say FOR MYSELF that cannabis has changed my life. like, I mean, It’s worked MIRACLES. I can also say that these hard concentrate drugs like crack cocaine are definately not the “same thing” or in the “same category” as herbs like cannabis and psilocybin mushrooms. Anybody who is experienced with drugs will know this.

    As someone who took the time to take the Herb School Walking Tour (which by the way was very informative and interesting)and also as a resident of Vancouver, my opinion of David is that he was doing the community a SERVICE if anything. He offered a healthier, safer alternative to the gang controlled drug market, literally right out in front of the doors of the Herb School. Not to mention a comfortable, relaxed, and informative atmosphere. (Not to mention, the best selection and quality of buds around!)

    As a faithful herb user,the Herb School was a comfortable refuge. I can say first hand that it has helped the community more than it could have possibly “damaged” it. Anybody who disagrees needs to do some research. The truth is that if we had more people like David who can think for themselves and more places like the Herb School, this would be a better community.

    Keep up the fight!

  358. str8upstoner on

    Hey douche canoe cant’t you read or are you just to dumb to remember what you read the judge ain’t gonna give a flying fuck about the opium because he made a plea agreement and that charge has been dropped so fuck off I might not agree with opium but that doesn’t mean you get to be retarded about how the justice system works so until you put two and two together why don’t you just make like a tree and get the fuck outta here.

  359. David Malmo-Levine on

    “You have to pay Dr Grinspoon to attend your trial as an expert witness re marijuana. pretty much like hiring someone to sand your hardwood floors,, its a pay for service deal the courts are hip to after 25 years of dope dealers doing anything they can to pay for legitimacy big deal dave. .”

    I have known Dr. Grinspoon for a long time. We co-authored an article for the latest High Times magazine. He is testifying for free. Where do you get your information from?

    “… as for your other points above, same old tired cranky paint yourself like Mr.Ghandi who by the way, furiously disapproved of recreational drugs and profiting from the poor and ill..”

    What are “recreational drugs”? Where is your proof that Gandhi approved of throwing people in jail for drug crimes?

    “100,000 transactions in controlled substances over three years? .. you are a major league drug dealer and say so on a public forum routinely watched by the police and mental health agencies .”

    Again, if I didn’t hurt anybody and helped many, many people, what’s the problem with that?

    “I wonder if Dr Grinspoon is aware of or approves of his client dealing drugs off agenda like you do– after all he is a real doctor.”

    From Dr. Grinspoon’s will-say statement:

    I agree with Mr. Malmo-Levine’s assertion that cannabis can easily be used safely as a medicine by healthy people to their benefit, and that defining cannabis as a medicine to only be used for “debilitating” conditions is too narrow a definition and excludes too many common conditions for which cannabis is helpful.

    Cannabis is a very complex medicinal herb who’s effects vary depending on which variety of strain is selected by the user. Different strains tend to have different combinations of cannabinoids, terpenoids and volatile oils.
    http://rxmarijuana.com/lowinson.htm#7.

    For example, there is evidence that some strains of cannabis can be used as a hypnotic, to help people who suffer from occasional insomnia to get to some sleep.
    http://rxmarijuana.com/jama.htm
    http://rxmarijuana.com/old_medicine.htm#3

    There is evidence that some strains of cannabis can be used as an antidepressant and/or a mood stabilizer.
    Forbidden Medicine pp. 6, 12, 115-124, 130, 149
    http://rxmarijuana.com/old_medicine.htm#2
    http://rxmarijuana.com/mood_stablizer.htm

    There is evidence that some strains of cannabis create a “calming” effect which can be used to relieve stress and anxiety starting with the stresses of every day life up to and including post-traumatic stress disorder.
    Forbidden Medicine p. 141
    http://www.marijuana-uses.com/essays/030.html
    http://www.marijuana-uses.com/essays/025.html
    http://www.marijuana-uses.com/essays/036.html
    http://www.marijuana-uses.com/brief/009.html

    There is evidence that some strains of cannabis can be used as a stimulant to fight fatigue, even “chronic fatigue”.
    http://www.tc.columbia.edu/centers/cifas/drugsandsociety/analyses/Grinspoon.html

    There is evidence that some strains of cannabis can be used as an appetite stimulant and/or an antiemetic to help fight nausea and help people eat and keep up their strength during pregnancy or a bad cold or flu.
    Forbidden medicine pp. 6, 12, 21-22, 30, 86, 92, 123
    http://www.drugtext.org/library/articles/grinspoon.html
    http://rxmarijuana.com/playart8-98.htm
    http://rxmarijuana.com/jama.htm

    There is evidence that some strains of cannabis can be used for inspiration, performance enhancement, the focusing the mind and as an aphrodisiac, perhaps do to the “time slowdown” effects noted by so many users.
    Marihuana Reconsidered, pp. 312-22
    http://www.marijuana-uses.com/essays/002.html

    There is evidence that some strains of cannabis can be used in place of alcohol as a relaxant, in place of tobacco as a nerve-calming agent, and to ease the withdrawal or reduce or eliminate the consumption of other more toxic substances (and mitigate the withdrawal symptoms of) such as heroin, cocaine, amphetamine and even caffeine.
    http://rxmarijuana.com/impact_215_physicians.htm
    Forbidden Medicine pp. 6, 12

    All the above conditions are conditions experienced by healthy people from time to time, and often escape being defined as “debilitating” by the medical establishment.

    There is ample evidence to suggest that smoked cannabis is preferred by many or most people over Sativex and the synthetic forms of one of cannabis’s active constituents – Marinol, Nabalone, Cecemet and Dronabinol.
    http://rxmarijuana.com/jama.htm#3

    It is an incontrovertible fact borne out by a library full of evidence that cannabis is a safe, affordable and effective medicine for “debilitating illness”, a fact confirmed not only by the constitutionally protected use of cannabis in Canadian medicine but also by the recent introduction of the cannabis-based pharmaceutical medicine “Sativex” to the Canadian market, approved by the government of Canada.

    Cannabis is remarkable not only for it’s versatility but also because there are no reported deaths by overdose – a fact which lends itself to Mr. Malmo-Levine’s belief that the correct distribution model for cannabis is not the pharmaceutical model or the alcohol model nor the tobacco model but rather the coffee bean model or the peppermint tea model. This inclusive distribution model would go a long way to reducing the effects of poverty that have such a horrible effect on the health of individuals.
    http://rxmarijuana.com/old_medicine.htm

    Perhaps, now that the use of cannabis by sick people is considered legitimate by a vast majority of Canadian citizens, the Canadian courts can now seriously consider the legitimate use of cannabis as a medicine for the relatively healthy, who use it to their benefit for preventive medicine and performance enhancement.

    I, Lester Grinspoon, along with James B. Bakalar, am the co-author of the book “Psychedelic Drugs Reconsidered”. In it we discuss, among other things, various types of “magic mushrooms”.

    According to the best experts in the field, the psilocybin mushroom – of which Mr. Malmo-Levine has pleaded guilty of trafficking – is “prized for gentleness” (PDR, p. 80)

    The effects of psilocybin mushrooms are similar to the effects of LSD. (PDR, p. 76) The effects of psilocybin are described as “more strongly visual, less intense, and more euphoric, with fewer panic reactions and less chance of paranoia” than LSD. (PDR, p. 17)

    One of the hazards of the black market is that sometimes “magic mushrooms” are simply regular mushrooms that have been adulterated with LSD. (PDR, p. 76) Mushrooms adulterated with LSD can vary greatly in potency. This may provide a stronger effect than the user was intending and/or interfere with the ability of the user to dose themselves correctly.

    The ancient Mexican name for this type of mushroom is “teonanacatl”, which means “flesh of the gods”. (PDR, p. 17) It was used in religious rituals and is still used today for vision-seeking, to “transcend” the triviality or absurdity of every-day life, to dream while awake, to travel in space and time, to become one with the universe. (PRD, pp. 12-13)

    Like cannabis, these magic mushrooms are as safe as most herbal tea and a reasonable distribution model of the future should be one that emphasizes education, quality control, the correct setting and mindset and knowledge of the expected effects – similar to the organization I understand Mr. Malmo-Levine to have facilitated. To my knowledge no person has ever died of eating too many of these mushrooms.

    Information on toxicity:

    http://www.shroomery.org/9122/How-many-dried-mushrooms-would-I-have-to-eat-to-die-from-an-overdose-of-psilocybin

    Risk Assessment Report Related to Paddos – CAM (the Netherlands), Feb 2000
    http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms.shtml

    “it seems that personal experimentation with hallucinogenic mushrooms by thousands of individuals over the past 17 years has not caused a single reported death. Ott (1978) reported that one would virtually have to consume an amount of mushrooms equal to one’s own body weight in order to bring about death.”
    http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_journal5.shtml

    “Or used to be a real doctor. Now he just flies around t for hire by traffickers hoping to squeeze out of prison sentences.”

    He teaches at Harvard Medical School. He doesn’t fly around – he’s too old to fly. What other trials do you know of him testifying at? Again … where do you get your information from? I think you’re making it all up.

    “You are not exactly a liberty fighter dave, you are just another black market dope profiteer who got caught”

    That’s funny. I insisted everyone who came to the Herb School take a one-hour Drugwar History Walking Tour first. The reason the cops did not conduct a sting on the Herb School was because they were afraid of learning the history of the drug war! They gave up trying to get into the school without the tour and just got us on possession for the purpose instead.

    “Good luck on your return appearance in court on trafficking charges with all this asshole defiance Dave,.. you are going to need it , I am sure your five point questionare will be a big hit with the prosecutors,”

    What “five point questionare”? What are you talking about? I think you are really confused as to how this all works. Perhaps you ARE a cop!

  360. Anonymous on

    You have to pay Dr Grinspoon to attend your trial as an expert witness re marijuana. pretty much like hiring someone to sand your hardwood floors,, its a pay for service deal the courts are hip to after 25 years of dope dealers doing anything they can to pay for legitimacy big deal dave. .

    as for your other points above, same old tired cranky paint yourself like Mr.Ghandi who by the way, furiously disapproved of recreational drugs and profiting from the poor and ill.. 100,000 transactions in controlled substances over three years? .. you are a major league drug dealer and say so on a public forum routinely watched by the police and mental health agencies . I wonder if Dr Grinspoon is aware of or approves of his client dealing drugs off agenda like you do– after all he is a real doctor. Or used to be a real doctor. Now he just flies around t for hire by traffickers hoping to squeeze out of prison sentences. You are not exactly a liberty fighter dave, you are just another black market dope profiteer who got caught

    Good luck on your return appearance in court on trafficking charges with all this asshole defiance Dave,.. you are going to need it , I am sure your five point questionare will be a big hit with the prosecutors,

  361. Farris on

    Hey David,

    Good luck. In a just world, you would be set free and Rahim would go to jail for as long as he wanted other drug users to be locked up.

  362. David Malmo-Levine on

    “Come on Dave. we are not going to buy your Moms word saved you from jail.”

    I never said that. It was YOU who claimed that my mother wished that I would “grow out” – whatever that’s supposed to mean. I responded with the fact that my mother was very supportive of my efforts to end the flower wars – even going so far as to come out to Vancouver to testify on my behalf. Now you have switched topics and it’s all about if my mother’s testimony was the deciding factor in my release. You ARE good at changing the topic, arn’t you? Are you a professional douchnozzle … or do you just do this in your spare time?

    “That only shows you are a desperate repeat offender….”

    In the same way that MLK and Gandhi were “repeat offenders” – they spoke up for millions of their oppressed people and were thrown in jail repeatedly for their causes.

    “,, so here we are at your next court appearance- will you be bringing your Mom along to give a character witness?”

    Don’t need to … got the Senator and a whack of PHDs this time.

    “Maybe don;t do that-maybe leave your Mom at home..after all, her last call about your character turned out to be mistaken/. considering you are before a judge yet again for trafficking dope.”

    That’s “retailing fine herbs” … “dope” sounds like a much more harmful thing … like alcohol, or cigarettes, or that Starbucks double tall five-pump toffeenut soy 130 degree with-whip-cream latte with chocolate sprinkles and cinnamon powder. There’s nothing worse than a Starbucks junkie going through withdrawal.

    “Maybe bring Senator Nolins’ Mom. She has good sense, she raised a good man. Your Mom raised a dope dealer repeat offender. But if you think bringing your Mom to court for the second time to highlight that her son is a dope dealer repeat offender, thats your choice. After all, you are a grownup and will suffer all the consequences of your choices/ As you state yourself, the judge has refused your entire list of witnesses so far.”

    He didn’t refuse Grinspoon. The rest of the witnesses can testify by affidavit because their statements are not being contested.

    Rather than talk about my mom, let’s get back to the nitty gritty.

    I’ll number my questions so you can’t dodge them so easily. Please answer all of them, or we will all know you’re a poser who can’t handle the heat:

    1) Do you have anything against opium when used properly.

    2) Do you believe human beings should make their own food and medicine choices or should those choices be made for them?

    3) Aside from cannabis, what pain-killers do you consider safe and effective? Are any of them safer and more effective than opium?

    4) Given the fact that doctors have recommended Sulfanilimide, Thalidomide, the Dalkon Shield and a host of recalled pharmaceuticals, why should society use them as gatekeepers given their horrible track record?

    5) Is there any other reason that herbs are not researched by big pharma besides the fact that they are difficult to patent and monopolize?

    Again, if you don’t bother to answer these questions we will all know you’re a big-pharma lap-dog flack-catcher for the medical paternalist slave-masters.

  363. Anonymous on

    Come on Dave. we are not going to buy your Moms word saved you from jail. That only shows you are a desperate repeat offender,, so here we are at your next court appearance- will you be bringing your Mom along to give a character witness?
    Maybe don;t do that-maybe leave your Mom at home..after all, her last call about your character turned out to be mistaken/. considering you are before a judge yet again for trafficking dope.

    Maybe bring Senator Nolins’ Mom.She has good sense,she raised a good man . Your Mom raised a dope dealer repeat offender. But if you think bringing your Mom to court for the second time to highlight that her son is a dope dealer repeat offender, thats your choice. After all, you are a grownup and will suffer all the consequences of your choices/ As you state yourself, the judge has refused your entire list of witnesses so far. Here’s hoping your Mom wasn’t rejected from your witness list.

  364. David Malmo-Levine on

    … I ended up not going to jail.

    How much better a result could one have hoped for?

  365. David Malmo-Levine on

    “that’s only funny when Homer Simpson says it…”

    I wasn’t trying to be funny.

    You said:

    “This is all going on file, you admitting selling controlled substances to junkies next door to a safe injection site,”

    I meant what I said in response. I really, honestly, truly don’t believe it’s a bad thing to sell controlled herbal substances next door to a supervised injection site – in fact, they should be sold there to encourage more people who are shooting smack and meth to switch over to opium, mushrooms and cannabis.

    Furthermore, I don’t understand the people who think it’s a bad thing to get people off hard drugs using soft drugs to do so … please take the time to explain it to me. So far you haven’t bothered to explain it … you just assume that some drugs are “bad” and they can never be used properly – but there’s a tonne of evidence to the contrary.

  366. str8upstoner on

    Like I said before man I respect what you are doing teaching people to be self sufficient and I’m not really looking to argue with you over each others morals you have your opinion I have mine and that’s just the way it’s going to be,different life experiences I suppose. I want you to know that even though we may diagree on this subject there are definatley more things that we agree upon than not so no disrespect man just letting my voice be heard too you know how that is. Hopefully you get off on this because you are a general in this fight against unjust laws and with our commander in cheif goin to the pokey next week we can’t afford many more losses. Keep your head up and keep doin what you do.Many blessing to the entire CC family may you continue to do gods work and bring natural medicine to the masses!

  367. Anonymous on

    wow ,, that ought to shake the foundations of the legal world

  368. David Malmo-Levine on

    “The last time I checked poppies did not grow bottles of laudnum or drop off chunks of opium …”

    Poppies DO drop off chunks of opium. You grow poppies. You make shallow cuts in the poppy. The poppy bleeds white fluid latex. That latex hardens and becomes opium.

    You take that opium and put it in vodka – instant laudanum. That makes it easier to use in teas or hot beverages. This isn’t advanced chemistry. There are no other ingredients to opium than poppy juice and alcohol.

    “…so what you sold was a derivitave of poppy plants just like cocaine is a derivative of the coca plant …”

    Cocaine is a concentrate that does not occur naturally – you have to use major chemicals and solvents to get coca leaf extract that concentrated.

    Opium, on the other hand, comes from the plant with no solvents required. In that way it’s similar to hashish – mother nature’s intended derivative.

    “Come on man seriously do I have to point this shit out maybe I should draw you a picture.”

    Sources would be nice. Tell me again how opium and laudanum – properly used – are problematic (in the amounts that we sold it).

    “…but if they want the derivatives from that plant they should MAKE it privatley and for their own consumption.”

    1) That’s harder to do under prohibition that it is under legalization.

    2) WHY should they make it themselves? Should all people grow and prepare their own food? Should everyone do their own surgery? What do you have against the division of labor?

    “4)That’s just it David,what you did was absolutley no different than what Methadone clinics do,and do you know what the failure rate of methadone clinics are?”

    My example involved heroin prescription. Do you know what the success rates of heroin prescription programs are?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heroin#Heroin_prescription

    “It’s just another road to status quo land where we treat hard drug addicts with more hard drugs till so many braincells are gone”

    Opium (and heroin for that matter) do not effect human brain cells. Opiates dull the physical and emotional senses, involve withdrawal symptoms similar to tobacco and less severe than alcohol, and also opiates cause constipation. Brain cells remain unchanged. The rest of the harms of heroin are due to prohibition.

  369. David Malmo-Levine on

    … at my last pot dealing trial.

    “I guess you will find out from the judge
    the line you crossed between
    personal freedom
    and responsibility towards others
    was way back there”

    Is that your way of saying you have no evidence I did any harm to any one?

    Never mind the evidence – do you even have any reason to believe I did any harm to any one?

    “There is livestock and there is dead meat
    Most people by far avoid both these fates easily enough”

    By allowing the state to make YOUR medicinal choices for YOU, you have elected to become livestock. I choose not to go that route – as most Canadians do.

  370. Anonymous on

    I guess you will find out from the judge
    the line you crossed between
    personal freedom
    and responsibility towards others
    was way back there

    There is livestock and there is dead meat
    Most people by far avoid both these fates easily enough

  371. Anonymous on

    ” You say that like it’s a bad thing ”

    that’s only funny when Homer Simpson says it
    in real life it shines the stupidnerss spotlight
    in the general direction of the speaker.
    Hope the glare doesn’t bother you too much

    Dave you pull that cute stuff in court and they will nail you for
    an overgrown belligerent opiate vendor you claim to be and are..
    So go ahead
    be the online wise guy dope dealer
    making lame excuses and red herring replies
    your evidence file
    is pretty funny as well

  372. str8upstoner on

    1)The reason I brought up my past drug use was to set a precedent for you to see what hard drugs can really do to people since obviously you’ve never had to struggle with a hard drug addiction

    2)The last time I checked poppies did not grow bottles of laudnum or drop off chunks of opium during growth so what you sold was a derivitave of poppy plants just like cocaine is a derivative of the coca plant so unless poppy plants started growing bottles and mixing themselves with ethyl alchohol or draining drying and scraping the sap from themselves then those products are made not grown. Come on man seriously do I have to point this shit out maybe I should draw you a picture.

    3)The only person who has the right to tell someone what they should put in their body is that person, and I do agree that adults and children should have access to all the herbs in their natural form,but if they want the derivatives from that plant they should MAKE it privatley and for their own consumption.

    4)That’s just it David,what you did was absolutley no different than what Methadone clinics do,and do you know what the failure rate of methadone clinics are?It’s just another road to status quo land where we treat hard drug addicts with more hard drugs till so many braincells are gone that they’re retarded and the state takes custody of them for their own well being,well fuck that dave I’m tired of the status quo when it comes to junkies and I know there is a better way to help them and I intend on proving it!

    PEACE AND POT!!!

  373. David Malmo-Levine on

    You have no evidence that any of the people I sold opium to didn’t need it or didn’t use it properly.

    Your argument that humans should not have access to pain-killing herbs is not compelling.

    We are not livestock. Our lives are our own to do with what we will.

  374. David Malmo-Levine on

    “.. but this time, maybe don;t huff down a gram of black hash before going into court…”

    I had a couple of puffs … I have never “huffed down a gram of black hash”:

    http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v03/n676/a11.html

    He later acknowledged, during a break in the hearing, that he’d taken some
    unusual steps to prepare for his day in court.

    “I took a couple of hits off some bubble hash,” he said, explaining that
    the specially filtered cannabis resin helped him wake up and focus his mind.

    “I was happy, hungry and relaxed, but I was not impaired.”

    YOU are a lying sack of dogmess, sir.

  375. David Malmo-Levine on

    “I absolutley know there is a difference between synthetic and herbal drugs what, do you think your talking to a ten year old and when did I ever call it the Meth school?”

    What did your meth problems have to do with the Herb School, then? Why even bring it up?

    “… the key phrase here is “make thier own” …”

    That’s YOUR key phrase – I said “GROW their own”. There’s a difference between drugs you make and drugs you grow. The one’s you grow are cheaper, safer and more effective than the ones you make.

    “….that doesn’t make it your place to supply medicine to them.”

    Who’s “place” is it to decide what medicine they should have access to? My view is that every adult should have access to all the herbs. Every child with their parents permission should have access to all the herbs.

    “…”it was mainly for junkies” not medical applications …”

    Don’t you consider heroin maintenance and methadone for withdrawal “medical applications”? How is what I helped people do any different?

  376. str8upstoner on

    I absolutley know there is a difference between synthetic and herbal drugs what, do you think your talking to a ten year old and when did I ever call it the Meth school? I would never do that I respect you for what you’ve done with the herb school and teaching people to make their own medicine but the key phrase here is “make thier own” Now I know it’s probably pretty hard to teach a junkie how to make his own meds but that doesn’t make it your place to supply medicine to them. I do think people should be able to consume whatever they want to consume as long as it doesn’t hurt anyone else as you can see by my previous statement that isn’t the case with hard drugs.I don’t have any problems with people using opium properly what I had a problem with was the fact that “it was mainly for junkies” not medical applications that’s where I have a problem and as far as I’m concerned that is NOT NOT NOT using opium properly.As for the people with pain who have tried Cannabis and found it ineffective go for it use the opium but grow and produce it privatley for your own consumption.

    Look Dave I’m not looking for a fight I respect you for your work at The Herb School and for teaching people to be self sufficient and not be whores to Big Pharma so let’s agree to disagree on the whole junkie thing OK.

    One Love,
    str8upstoner,Stoners are people too!!!!

  377. Anonymous on

    .. and here we have the Canadian Armed Forces in Afghanistan trying to clean up their Opium scene and here you are selling this crap next door to a safe injection site in the slums of downtown Vancouver .. on this Skytrain of life -where do you get off ?

    Whether what you got caught with was all natural black tar opium or Asian gang reconstituted morphia smokable – is of little matter here , that is for the RCMP lab toxologists to determine.,

    You are ultimately responsible for the products you sell for money Dave- legal or non legal.. as the director of a Herb School you should know this.. if you don’t, you will find out soon enough.

    The senator has a humble opinion, so do we = It;s what goes down in court Dave, and you singing here you sold opium is not helping your case or your community standing as a thought free freelance druggist.

    Maybe stick to online conspiracy theories,

  378. Anonymous on

    .. but this time, maybe don;t huff down a gram of black hash before going into court

  379. Anonymous on

    i was gonna say…havent you guys got the 2002 senate report to show in court? surely the judge should be looking at the findings of such reviews.
    wasnt legalising cannnabis blocked after this outcome due to another country- USA putting pressure on your government because the soon to be changing laws didnt match theirs?

    the canadian government used tax payers money to work out for once and for all that the cannabis laws are unfair and unjust and need reworking so people arent jailed for cannabis use.

    i mean, after all even the USA did a similar commision into cannabis and it came up with the same basic idea and ADVICE. legalise cannabis because the harms from prohibition are not fair and far outweigh the harms of the drug itself.

    nixon told them to shelve it and so they just covered it up.
    whats the point of these senate committees if the law makers dont listen to the results and implement them but let the unjust tragedies they uncover continue? its sickening really.

    so really, you should never be sent to jail for such things just because they havent gotten their act together and been honest and respectful to their voters and tax payers. it can only be corruption that has led to these laws still being faced by the population today.

    anyways.. whats the point of harming a person with a jail term and a giving them a criminal record for something they have found it isnt that harmful!!
    if they are so caring and worried about your well being then why do they do harm to the users of cannabis?? PAY CHEQUES!!!! otherwise it just dont make sense but somehow we have all been conditioned to think this is the correct way of going about things. do drugs and somehow you need jail or penalty. some drug users need help! while we waste our money on the ones that dont!
    i dont need a cop telling me my health regime.
    i dunno maybe they are still being racist or something.thats why they first made it a police/jail issue and now weve had it that way so long we dont even question why its like that anymore.

    take a hypothetical citizen, a mother, she is concerned about her childs drug use..
    so then the police step in and say dont worry lady, we will put him in jail and give him a criminal record. is that better now?

    you might think the only reason they do this is because it might send out a message to others. make an example of one so others dont follow.. meanwhile the person life is in ruins and it DOES NOT and has proved NOT to influence drug usage rates. its on the reports..

    clearly, you should be claiming that the laws are wrongly unjust.

  380. David Malmo-Levine on

    … the chairperson of the Senate Report of 2002.

    It has eight points.

    The first seven points talk about the government ignoring the LeDain Commission for the last 27 years and government ignoring the Senate Report for the last 7 years … and how harmful the war on cannabis is.

    The last point I will provide verbatim:

    8. The laws prohibiting cannabis are so harmful that to my knowledge many decided in their own abilities that it was their duty to effectively oppose these laws. They are convinced that to do nothing in the face of such horrible injustice is a form of complicity. If all legal means of opposing are rendered ineffective, then some, able to do so, decided to invent civil disobedient ways of opposing. It is my understanding that Mr. Malmo-Levine was involved in a peaceful act of civil disobedience meant to educate primarily, and secondly reduce or eliminate some of the problems of cannabis problematic uses and cannabis prohibition outlined in the Senate Report. I fully understand these efforts. In my humble opinion, the judge in this matter should refrain from punishing Mr. Malmo-Levine.

    Sincerely,

    Pierre Claude Nolin

  381. David Malmo-Levine on

    “It ( morphine ) amounted to about 0.00001% of our sales”

    “It” was NOT morphine – it was opium.

    “Morphine was discovered as the first active alkaloid extracted from the opium poppy plant … Later it was found out that morphine was even more addictive than either alcohol or opium …”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morphine

    Morphine
    Found to be 10 times more powerful than opium, …”
    http://home.epix.net/~renjilia/week11_psy420.htm

    Saying I sold morphine when I actually sold opium is like saying I sold cocaine when I actually sold coca leaves. One is far more dangerous than the other.

    “…so even if you sold one unit of morphine, your figures suggest you made 100,000 other drug sales …”

    I sold no morphine. I sold a bit of opium, and we did about 100,000 other cannabis and mushroom sales in the space of 3 and 1/2 years (we never actually kept track so I don’t know if that’s a close estimate or not) … it’s something to be proud of.

    “that was your fake ass herb school…”

    I take it you never went on our walking tour, took an organic grow class or discussed the proper use of cannabis with our staff. I bet you don’t really know what you’re talking about.

    “BTW we sent our letter to the courts concerning your impact on our community, on our lids and persons at risk such as the clients next door at the safe injection site.”

    Really? What did they say? Care to reproduce them here? We’ll be calling your hearsay statements “lies” in court so for them to be of any use to the Crown they will have to call you in personally so we’ll know if you’re bullshitting or not.

    And what “impact” did we have, exactly? Did we cause dry-mouth? Or did we provide excellent herbs at an excellent price after everyone took a one-hour walking tour? Did some of the people at Insite stop using hard drugs and used our herbs instead? Did we employ some of them as artists or poster-putter-uppers or cleaning staff or dealing staff? We had an impact, but I bet it was a positive one.

    “So maybe think about leaving Vancouver after this is all over.”

    Too many people have told me to keep fighting. I’ve got a Senator and drug policy experts and doctors and nurses on my side …. and the only ones who are against me are nameless people like you …. and some narcotics officers that feel their cushy job is threatened by people like me. They don’t want to have to do real work like look for missing women and children – so much easier to shake kids down for their herbs.

    “Just regular justice, basic crime and punishment…”

    For there to be a crime there had to be a victim. Who was victimized by me? Got any names? What did they suffer from … and how do you expect to lay their suffering at my doorstep in the age of information?

    People suffer from the drug war … and they suffer from ignorance … but I didn’t have anything to do with either of those things … my actions stopped and prevented suffering. My actions did not create or enhance suffering in the slightest.

  382. David Malmo-Levine on

    “This is all going on file, you admitting selling controlled substances to junkies next door to a safe injection site,”

    You say that like it’s a bad thing.

    So you think we should be treated like livestock? Should we let our rulers pick our medicine for us? Perhaps they should pick our food for us too – after all, they are so wise and perfect and we are just sheep that need help deciding everything, right?

    “In wise hands poison is medicine. In foolish hands medicine is poison.”
    – Casanova

    “There are no good or bad drugs. There are only good or bad relationships with drugs.” – Andrew Weil

    I guess you would rather all the hands of the world be in shackles rather everyone have the freedom to decide the tastes and pursuits of their own lives, to make mistakes and to learn from them. I guess we will forever disagree on that point.

  383. David Malmo-Levine on

    1) It was called the Herb School, not the Meth School – I believe that there is a fundamental difference between herbal drugs and synthetic drugs. We didn’t sell any synthetic drugs.

    2) If you’re against “enabling junkies” to live the kind of life that involves autonomy, a way to mitigate withdrawal symptoms using a substance that we attempt to teach them to supply themselves (thus enabling independence from smak pushers and a reduction or elimination of the black market) by growing their own poppies, I don’t see why. Do you think people should have the right to consume whatever they want or do you see people as livestock for doctors and the state to control? I don’t see a third choice. We were not selling concentrates of morphine. We were not selling heroin. We were selling a medicine that was very effective for people with pain issues and somewhat effective to mitigate withdrawal symptoms. The “kind of life” we were offering was 1) a less harsh way to quit opiates than cold turkey and 2) an effective pain killer for people who had tried other options that failed them. What do you have against properly-used opium? What do you suggest for people in pain who have tried cannabis but prefer opium instead?

  384. merry jon on

    don’t let those kop trolls wear u down dave; they only operate under cover and can’t take the light. keep up the good fight!

  385. Anonymous on

    so what’s the document say Dave?

  386. Anonymous on

    // It ( morphine ) amounted to about 0.00001% of our sales and we never advertised it – it was mainly for junkies and those with pain issues.//

    so even if you sold one unit of morphine, your figures suggest you made 100,000 other drug sales,, sheesh dave , either you are completely full of shit or you actually did sell a lot of dope next door to a safe injection site.. It will all come out because this city is full of rats wearing wires and they all gravitate to the low water mark and that was your fake ass herb school

    BTW we sent our letter to the courts concerning your impact on our community, on our lids and persons at risk such as the clients next door at the safe injection site. Also letters to the Health Minister and the Justice Minister, as is our right to share our views and name the names _you name and point it all out to those in a position to stop it.

    So maybe think about leaving Vancouver after this is all over.When the Olympics are wrapped up. when you get out of lock up – you won;t be getting away with it. Just regular justice, basic crime and punishment-

  387. Anonymous on

    dave you, like your boss Emery are just generating excuses, You are both just same old school snake like dope dealers with gentrifcation ambitions. This is all going on file, you admitting selling controlled substances to junkies next door to a safe injection site,
    Sing on Dave, we are recording every note..

    warm regards from the Skytrain Culture Club

  388. str8upstoner on

    Being a recovering hard drug addict myself I can somewhat see where your coming from however I don’t think you’ll ever change my mind or make me think that replacing one hard drug addiction with another hard drug will ever work maybe it’ll get them the fix they need through the droughts of black tar heroine but that’s not what we should be striving for. I was introduced to Meth when I was fourteen yrs old by my bestfriend and his mom both of which told me don’t worry it won’t do anything.They couldn’t have been more wrong for the next 8 yrs I struggled with a debilitating addiction that hurt not only me but all the people around me. I lost everything my son,my fiance,my home,my car,and most importantly myself, I started stealing from my parents and grandparents at the age of 15 small stuff,cds, power tools and what not by the time I was 18 I had graduated to forging checks off of their home equity line of credit,amazingly the only thing I didn’t lose was them and for that I couldn’t be more thankful.At the age of 23 after numerous stints in the county jail and an extended stay with the Arizona Dept.of Corrections I had finally decided enough was enough but how was I going to overcome the constant cravings the withdrawl pains,that’s when I decided it was time for me to go buy a half pound of Cannabis it lasted only two weeks but that two weeks was the longest I had been away from meth in 8 yrs I will admit in the first year there was still alot of temptation and I did slip up twice but it never ended in a binge it ended with me going what the fuck are you thinking and why did I like this after the last slip up,I have continued to use Cannabis in my daily life and am happy to report that I now have my son back in my life, run my own buisness,and am actually a productive member of society and I owe it all to Cannabis without it I would probably be dead so I ask you David do you think enabling Junkies to live that kind of life is something you really want to be part of?The herb school is a great Idea and when they finally legalize medical in this god forsaken place I hope to be able to open a hard drug recovery clinic using soley Cannabis nas the cure.

  389. Anonymous on

    Hope this is some kind of good news. What’s with these foaming Dave-haters? Gutless pigdogs and vultures screeching from the sidelines.

  390. David Malmo-Levine on

    The Herb School organization believed it was everyone’s right to grow, sell and use every plant for medicine. We were located right next to the supervised injection site and thus had a desire to see people get off hard drugs like heroin – sometimes that meant offering them less concentrated opiates such as opium and laudanum.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laudanum

    Other people had pain issues. We had some people come in for opium who had tried all other pain medicines and found this one worked best for them.

    It amounted to about 0.00001% of our sales and we never advertised it – it was mainly for junkies and those with pain issues.

  391. David Malmo-Levine on

    “do you just accept cash or will you take stolen goods it will look as everybody you ever screwed over knows takes a hike”

    I haven’t screwed anyone over.

    “BTW the Drug War is NOT the longest running war on earth- the 100 years war is longer, do the math dick..”

    The Drug War has been going on for thousands of years – at the very least since 621 BCE when King Josiah prohibited “kannehbosm” from being used as a sacrament:

    http://www.cannabisculture.com/v2/node/19176

    “Opps gotta go, pick up my cop uniform from the dry cleaners
    see you in court dave. don;t sleep in or we will be there to wake you up with tasers and mace”

    You’re not making enough spelling errors to be a cop. I suspect you’re a skytrain security guard with dreams of being a cop and this is just “deep undercover” narc practice for ya!

  392. Gentle Ben-zadrine on

    // You don’t belong in jail. You belong teaching, //

    he can teach in jail, Conrad Black teaches in jail, I think he gets a extra potato on Sundays for that special service

    // I wish there were ten thousand more folks like you in near sight.//

    in prison, there will be

    // I can see the State honouring you with a degree not lodging for a year.//

    hold on. he might get more than one year- and what state are you thinking of here pal “Altered State ” ” Welfare State “or ” Sorry State ”

    // I hope the courts can see the sense of that.//

    ya, drop by the BC provincial Courthouse, ask to see their brochure about setting yourself up for a Nobel Prize

  393. Spanner McNeil on

    Dear David, You don’t belong in jail. You belong teaching. I wish there were ten thousand more folks like you in near sight. I’ve found your writing to be some of the freshest, articulated and encompassing work. Your mind has a great future. I can see the State honouring you with a degree not lodging for a year. I hope the courts can see the sense of that. All the best, cheers. Spanner

  394. Anonymous on

    I wear a size medium, and most junkies are skinny so don;t bother with the X L unless you plan to sell in the US. There they pick up OD cases with a tow truck

    you might want to offer this edition with long sleeves, get it?? long red sleeves.. ha ha ha – do you just accept cash or will you take stolen goods it will look as everybody you ever screwed over knows takes a hike

    BTW the Drug War is NOT the longest running war on earth- the 100 years war is longer, do the math dick..

    Opps gotta go, pick up my cop uniform from the dry cleaners
    see you in court dave. don;t sleep in or we will be there to wake you up with tasers and mace

  395. str8upstoner on

    What’s up with the trumped up Morphine charge? I don’t understand why you have it quoted were you growing poppy and if you had morphine wtf was it for pharmacuetical drugs could really change my opinion of a person so please clarify.

  396. David Malmo-Levine on

    “Shut up already, whiner”

    Actually, I prefer speaking out, thanks.

    “Why are you going to jail, then?”

    Are you having difficulty with the big words? Here … I will repeat them and you tell me which ones you want definitions of:

    I am being sentenced for three counts of s. 5(2) of the Controlled Drug and Substances Act (CDSA). Two of the counts are possession of cannabis for the purposes of trafficking and the third count is possession of psilocybin for the purposes of trafficking.

    “Why did you agree to go?”

    Wow. You really are having difficulty reading. It is a testament to the failure of our educational system. I will repeat the part about why I agreed to go again and you point out the part that confused you:

    I pleaded guilty to the charges to 1) get this judge who 5 lawyers told me was the least afraid of cannabis any of them had ever encountered, 2) get the trumped-up “morphine” trafficking changes dropped, and 3) to allow all my co-accused to walk away with stayed charges.

    “WTF is your problem?”

    Chickenshit folks that won’t try to speak the truth and stand up for themselves … and cop trolls who hang out on pot activist websites who attempt to play “blame the victim” games.

    “All’s groovy ’til you get caught.”

    It’s the drug war. It’s the biggest and longest running war on earth. Everyone will get caught sooner or later. The only decision we have to make is whether we get caught on the police’s terms or our terms.

    I’m trying to set a precedent to prevent activists from being punished for non-violent herbal offenses in the future. Either help out or take a hike.

  397. Anonymous on

    Why are you going to jail, then?
    Why did you agree to go?
    WTF is your problem?
    All’s groovy ’til you get caught.